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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- Message-ID: <1993Jan01.223049.3495@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 22:30:49 GMT
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- (vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
- : jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
- :
- : >In article <C0338G.794@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writ
- es:
- : >|>
- : >|> Liberal Definition of Values: Restrictions stopping us from doing anythin
- g
- : >|> we want without any repercussions or
- : >|> responsibilities.
-
- Those are not now, nor have they ever been, THIS liberals values.
-
- :
- : >Conservatives moan and whine about a lack of values and
- : >don't even have a clue what they are talking about. Bush
- : >showed us his values by pardoning a bunch of criminals.
- : >Might makes right.
- :
- : Those men were not tried. They are not criminals.
-
- Some were tried and convicted. Another was pardoned before the trial started,
- this leaving us without the necessary information about whether or not he is a
- criminal.
-
- :
- : >And what do you know about my or any liberal's values?
- : >NOTHING!
- :
- : I know that the agenda liberals have set and implemented has resulted
- : in a decline in morality, and an increase in crime and poverty.
- :
- : >|> It seems to me these values are being taught very well to liberal's child
- ren.
- : >|> Poor kids.
- :
- : >Let's see: Tolerance of others who are different, helping
- : >the needy. I say lucky kids. I had to wait until college
- : >to learn many of these things.
- :
- : Let's see: There are no consequences to my actions because other people's
- : taxes will bail me out. My country OWES me, not vice versa.
- : Killing and stealing are okay because we were driven to do that
- : by an uncaring society.
-
- These are not not, nor have they ever been, THIS liberals values.
-
- :
- :
- :
- : >|> This is what I have repeatedly labeled the "incentives to stay poor".
- :
- : >The real incentives to stay poor are the lack of jobs
- : >that allow a person to raise a family. People could
- : >get off of welfare if they could get a real job. The
- : >McDonalds example was pure conservative BS. Could you
- : >raise a family on minimum wage in NY or LA? Let's make
- : >jobs, not excuses.
- :
- : I worked at McDonalds. I knew people whose only source of income was
- : work at McDonalds. They made more money working than they could on welfare.
-
- For a single person, this may be true. I doubt that this is true for a single
- parent.
-
- :
- :
- : >|> Good idea! They also should be forced to demonstrate a willingness to
- : >|> educate or prepare themselves for REAL LIFE.
- :
- : >Education is expensive, are we going to pay for that?
- : >We sure as hell don't now...
- : >And just how would you have these people demonstrate
- : >this willingness? Let's hear your ideas, I'm sure
- : >they are just grand.
- :
- : Compared to the money wasted in the machinery of the welfare bureaucracy
- : the cost of education is insignificant. Put an absolute limit on
- : welfare... 4 years. During those four years the beneficiaries of the
- : welfare MUST go to school and learn a trade or study for a degree.
- : Day care would be provided. Those who refuse lose welfare benefits.
- : Provisions to extend this based on extenuating circumstances would of
- : course be included. The money saved from those who simply want to live
- : off welfare could be used to fund the schooling and day care.
- : This might raise welfare costs in the first 4 years, but after that
- : I suspect they would decrease greatly.
- :
- : Give tax breaks to parents whose students are getting a B average.
- : Give teachers salary incentives based on their students' performances
- : on standardized tests. If the students don't learn, the teachers earn
- : less. If the students learn more, the teachers benefit financially.
- : Initiate programs to encourage parents to force their kids to do their
- : homework.
-
- I honestly don't see anything wrong with the above suggestions.
- --
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- mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org |right to be here, and whether you can hear it
- The Truth is still the Truth |or not the Universe is laughing behind your
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