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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:31:09 GMT
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- jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
-
- >In article <C0338G.794@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >|>
- >|> Liberal Definition of Values: Restrictions stopping us from doing anything
- >|> we want without any repercussions or
- >|> responsibilities.
-
- >Conservatives moan and whine about a lack of values and
- >don't even have a clue what they are talking about. Bush
- >showed us his values by pardoning a bunch of criminals.
- >Might makes right.
-
- Those men were not tried. They are not criminals.
-
- >And what do you know about my or any liberal's values?
- >NOTHING!
-
- I know that the agenda liberals have set and implemented has resulted
- in a decline in morality, and an increase in crime and poverty.
-
- >|> It seems to me these values are being taught very well to liberal's children.
- >|> Poor kids.
-
- >Let's see: Tolerance of others who are different, helping
- >the needy. I say lucky kids. I had to wait until college
- >to learn many of these things.
-
- Let's see: There are no consequences to my actions because other people's
- taxes will bail me out. My country OWES me, not vice versa.
- Killing and stealing are okay because we were driven to do that
- by an uncaring society.
-
-
-
- >|> This is what I have repeatedly labeled the "incentives to stay poor".
-
- >The real incentives to stay poor are the lack of jobs
- >that allow a person to raise a family. People could
- >get off of welfare if they could get a real job. The
- >McDonalds example was pure conservative BS. Could you
- >raise a family on minimum wage in NY or LA? Let's make
- >jobs, not excuses.
-
- I worked at McDonalds. I knew people whose only source of income was
- work at McDonalds. They made more money working than they could on welfare.
-
-
- >|> Good idea! They also should be forced to demonstrate a willingness to
- >|> educate or prepare themselves for REAL LIFE.
-
- >Education is expensive, are we going to pay for that?
- >We sure as hell don't now...
- >And just how would you have these people demonstrate
- >this willingness? Let's hear your ideas, I'm sure
- >they are just grand.
-
- Compared to the money wasted in the machinery of the welfare bureaucracy
- the cost of education is insignificant. Put an absolute limit on
- welfare... 4 years. During those four years the beneficiaries of the
- welfare MUST go to school and learn a trade or study for a degree.
- Day care would be provided. Those who refuse lose welfare benefits.
- Provisions to extend this based on extenuating circumstances would of
- course be included. The money saved from those who simply want to live
- off welfare could be used to fund the schooling and day care.
- This might raise welfare costs in the first 4 years, but after that
- I suspect they would decrease greatly.
-
- Give tax breaks to parents whose students are getting a B average.
- Give teachers salary incentives based on their students' performances
- on standardized tests. If the students don't learn, the teachers earn
- less. If the students learn more, the teachers benefit financially.
- Initiate programs to encourage parents to force their kids to do their
- homework.
-
- >Jared Dahl
- >Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
- >Don't send e-mail - I won't get it.
-
-
-
- Edward Simmonds- Not an economist so any economist who can enlighten us
- please do so
-
-