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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- References: <1h536uINNcpl@meaddata.meaddata.com> <1992Dec24.234313.26934@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <1992Dec28.075957.19167@wetware.com> <1992Dec29.193447.16332@rchland.ibm.com> <C02A1w.Grz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:57:51 GMT
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- graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec29.193447.16332@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes...
- >>In article <C007FI.Fun@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
- >>|> I personally know at least four families who are more interested in
- >>|> sucking blood from these programs than getting jobs and becoming
- >>|> responsible.
- >>|>
- >>|> One of them actually sells their foodstamps to others.
- >>|>
- >>|> This all makes me sick, and when my tax dollars are spent on those
- >>|> who truly need them, rather than the welfare society that our know-it-all
- >>|> liberals have created, I'll be the first to use the above argument.
- >>
- >>
- >>The real problem with our welfare system is that it "traps" people
- >>into a cycle of poverty, from which they cannot emerge. Many people
- >>cannot afford to live on welfare. So they seek out a job. If they
- >>can find one, it pays less than welfare does, and it will probably
- >>cause them to lose their welfare benefits. So they stay out of work
- >>because they have kids to feed. I think that this is one of the
- >>problems at the base of America's decline. People are unable to
- >>work or can't find a job. They are unable to raise their children
- >>with the values that they were raised with. I think that the number
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >I don't understand what you mean by "values" here.
-
- Liberal Definition of Values: Restrictions stopping us from doing anything
- we want without any repercussions or
- responsibilities.
-
- It seems to me these values are being taught very well to liberal's children.
- Poor kids.
-
- >>
-
- >>When you give people jobs, you give them dignity. With dignity, they
- >>can raise their children right, pass on morals and help keep a sense
- >>of order in our society.
-
- >This hasn't been my experience. It sounds wonderful, but reality
- >says otherwise.
-
- >Those four families I mentioned earlier have all been given numerous
- >"jobs", and have managed to lose each and every one of them, NOT because
- >they weren't capable of doing them, but because they were too LAZY and
- >undisciplined to be there on time, and every day that they should
- >have. If there was a problem, they didn't even bother calling in.
-
- >And they clearly didn't care. Why? Because they knew that welfare
- >would bale them out. How do I know? They told me.
-
- This is what I have repeatedly labeled the "incentives to stay poor".
-
- >>
- >>How are we going to do this? I don't know, but until we figure it
- >>out, these people have to eat somehow. Welfare was never meant to
- >>be a permanent program, and it has not worked well in the long run.
-
- >All welfare recipients should be required, if physically able, to
- >perform ... GASP!!!.... some form of community service.
-
- >That's a darned good, positive, and constructive beginning.
-
- Good idea! They also should be forced to demonstrate a willingness to
- educate or prepare themselves for REAL LIFE.
-
- >>
- >>Jared Dahl
- >>Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
- >>Don't send e-mail - I won't get it.
-
- >Jim Graham
-
- > -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
- > Neither do they speak for me.
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-
- Good job Mr. Graham.
-
-
- Edward Simmonds
-
-
- - I am right, liberals are wrong... Long live America's true citizens...
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