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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Soul of the Republican Party
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:15:15 GMT
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- popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell) writes:
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- [Lotsa stuff deleted which ain't relevant]
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- >mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
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- >of Babtists, the Danbury Babtists, jefferson uses the phrase "Wall of
- >seperation". He makes it very clear that there is to be a STRONG wall of
- >seperation between Church and State.
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- >When Jefferson was president, one Rev. Millar, wrote to ask him to
- >institue an oficial day of prayer, which Jefferson refused. Rev. Millar
- >then wrote again to ask him to institute an UNOFFICAL day of prayer,
- >which Jefferson pointedly refused.
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- > "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the
- >Constitution from meddlim=ng with reigous institutions, their doctrines,
- >discipline or exercises. This rresults not only from the provision that
- >no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise of
- >religion,....
- > But it is only proposed that I recommend not prescribe a day of fasting
- >and prayer. That is, I should indirectly assume to the United States an
- >authority over religous exercises, which the Constitution has directly
- >precluded them from..."
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- >You could imagine what Jefferson would say about prayer in public
- >schools, or Creches on government property, or what he would say about
- >the pious legeal frauds that declare such creches as 'secular' rather
- >than religous as some courts have done.
-
- >Remember, Jefferson was one of the two men most responsible for there
- >being a first amandment, and actually wrote the final version of that
- >amendment. HE definitly is the one person that knows what it meant and
- >how strongly it was to apply.
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- >If anything, the first amendment has definitely been stepped on by our
- >politicians in the last half century.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Amen to this.... for example.. Roe v Wade which created whole new
- constitutional rights.
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- >We need to go back to following the Constitution, not subverting it for
- >the benifit of right winged evangelicals and the like.
-
- Are we to understand then that you approve of Robert Bork's beliefs that
- ONLY the strict interpretation of the Constitution should be the doctrine by
- which questions of this sort put before the Supreme Court are decided?
- Your STRONG emphasis on Jefferson's INTENT would seem to suggest this to me.
-
- Please tell us where you stand on the right to privacy, the right to bear
- arms, the right to abortion, the right of free speech and the right to
- practice a religion of one's choice.
-
- Another good question for you: I have heard the argument that the framer's
- intent would give everybody the right to ride a horse (or in our day a car).
- This right is not, however, in the Bill of Rights, and it is considered a
- civil liberty. Is it your contention that this is in fact a right?
-
- The other deceptive failure of your contentions is that Jefferson was the
- Lone Wolf on this. Regardless of who wrote the actual text, the Bill of
- Rights was approved by many people, and it is their interpretations that are
- relevant.
-
- To quote William J. Brennan, Jr. regarding the interpretation of the
- Constitution and the Bill of Rights-- "The act of intepretation must be
- undertaken with full consciousness that it is, in a very real sense, the
- _community's_interpretation_ that is sought [underline added]... the Justices
- must render constitutional interpretations which are perceived as legitimate."
- Extending this doctrine (written by the King Liberal himself), Jefferson's
- opinions are irrelevant. The community interpretation would support
- the free exercise of religion in public places, etc..
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- Sorry this jumps around so much, I'm not in a literary mood.
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-
- >Pope Charles SubGenius Pope Of Houston. Just a patriot, that's all.
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- >--
- >popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
- >Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
- >After December 31, (713) 481-3763
- >1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
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- Edward Simmonds
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