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- From: andyh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Holyer)
- Subject: Re: Lords and Ladies annotations
- Organization: University of Sussex
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- I've tried to post this since Friday, but it keeps falling over... :-(
-
- In article <724076244snx@warren.demon.co.uk> leveret@warren.demon.co.uk writes:
- >
- >passim: Do crop circles need explaining [*] ? Or are they an
- > international phenomenon ?
- >
- > [*] I'm not offering to actually _explain_ them ...
-
- Oh please! can I have a go?
-
- "Crop Circles are circular patches of flattened crops which have appeared
- in fields of cerials in the South and West of England over the last few
- years. There is no firm evidence pointing to their cause: this has been
- taken by certain parties as a prima facie proof that they are of course
- caused by either alien spacraft or by some supernatural intelligence,
- possibly in an attempt to communicate. In recent years, circle systems
- have become increasingly elaborate, most notably in the case of a
- notable circle in the shape of the Mandelbrot Set, and another system
- which is shown on the cover of the recent Led Zeppelin compilation
- album, which in general would indicate that whoever's up there they
- probably have long hair and say "Wow!" and "Yeah!" a lot. A number of
- staged circle-forging challenges last summer have demonstrated both how
- easy it is to produce an impressive circle by mundane, not to say
- frivolous methods, and also the surprisingly poor ability of
- "ceriologists" to distinguish what they describe as a "genuine" circle
- form one "merely made by hoaxers". Anyone with a burning desire to
- believe in paranormal explanations is invited to post to sci.skeptic an
- article asserting essentually "I believe that crop circles are produced
- by UFOs/Sun Spots/The Coservative Government/The Easter Bunny and see
- how far you get....
-
- >
- >p11: "... a long time ago, in the past.*"
- > [footnote] *Which is another country.
- >
- > "The Past is a strange country: they do things differently there"
- > are the opening words of a book, I *think* "The Go-Between", and I
- > *think* Iris Murdoch - any confirmation, anyone ?
- >
- Something suggests C.P. Snow to me: I'm sure the quote is from the early
- years of the century, and hence pre-Murdoch.
-
- >p222: The sleeping king and his warriors who will awake at the End of
- > Things when a wolf eats the sun - this rings a bell (sorry :-))
- > but for the life of me I can't place it! Is it, perhaps,
- > Charlemagne ? Or Arthur ? But I thought Arthur sleeps alone, and
- > the wolf sounds Nordic not Carolingian ...
- The "eating the Sun" bit is from the Norse myth of Ragnarok. Fenris, one
- of Loki's monster children will break free from his chains and eat the
- sun. At this point the frost giants[*] will cross the rainbow bridge and
- fight the final battle with the gods of Asgard and the heroes who have
- died and gone to Valhalla. See the last part of Wagner's Ring cycle for
- details, amongst other things.
-
- [*] Who presumably have *still* not returned the Gods' lawnmower :-)
-
- Arthur and his warriors "are indeed" sleeping, on the island of
- Angelsea. This I would guess is also involved.
-
- The sleeping king is one of the oldest and deepest folk-myths of western
- culture: I could go into great depth about this (what do you mean,
- could? - Ed.), but I won't. See, however the section about the Fisher
- King in Frazer's "The Golden Bough", Weston's "From Ritual to Romance"
- and all the stuff that this leads into, such as Elliot's "THe Wasteland"
- and David Lodge's "Small World" :-)
-
- -&.
- -
- &ndy Holyer, School of Cognitive and |Due to recent events in the USA,
- Computing Studies, University of Sussex, |I find I can no longer use this
- JANET: andyh@cogs.sussex.ac.uk |.sig quote. Normal service will
- |be resumed when I find another one.
-