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- From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
- Newsgroups: alt.dreams
- Subject: Re: Don't interrupt me you dream character!
- Message-ID: <Dec.29.22.21.48.1992.26292@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 03:21:48 GMT
- References: <gj156879.725500532@cunews:<1992Dec28.201143.548@tcsi.com:<1992Dec29.202544.3398@tcsi.com>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- In article <1992Dec29.202544.3398@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
- :
- :There is already some dream personality research going on -- I was just
- :suggesting a new approach to it.
-
- I'm sorry, my post was not intended as an attack of this idea. Just a
- clarification, IMO, based on my own experience.
-
- :
- :This line of speculation was kicked off by Maiko Covington's reports
- :of having dream personalities speak different languages in her dreams,
- :including languages that the corresponding real-life people didn't know
- :(But that Maiko did.) She was wondering how this was possible -- a
- :reasonable puzzlement, given how counter-intuitive it is.
- :
- :It's hard to remember that people in dreams are really just projections
- :from memories of people in real life, and that the abilities and
- :knowledge they have can include all the abilities and knowledge that
- :the dreamer has (but no more.)
-
- This would make more sense to me, adding to this the fact that your
- dreaming mind doesn't often care about consistency and logic. Such
- systematics might work in one person's dreams, but totally meaningless
- in another's.
-
- :
- :[Obviously I'm neglecting the potential parapsychological aspect here.
- :That's for another discussion.]
-
- Maybe the discussion could start here. ;) I think that even in
- psychic dreams, the dreaming mind (as does the waking mind, IMO)
- interprets such experiences with whatever metaphor it is most
- comfortable with.
-
- :My hypothesis about how this could happen with some frequency was that
- :the appearance before the dream-ego of a person associated with one
- :language fires up the set of speech centers in the brain associated
- :with that person/language combination, for use by the dream-ego --
- :POSSIBLY limiting access to those speech centers by other dream
- :personalities, and thus POSSIBLY increasing the chance that those dream
- :personalities will hook into any existing alternate speech centers.
- :Bilinguals are interesting subjects in view of this hypothesis precisely
- :because they have (at least some) distinct alternate speech centers that
- :dream personalities might access.
-
- I'm not to fond of trying to tie physiology to mental events, but to
- each hir own. :)
-
- :
- :But maybe I went too far when I conjectured that there are latent
- :dream personalities associated with the languages of a bilingual
- :by way of some kind of personality split perceivable even in waking
- :life. Your "personae" explanation sounds like a more accurate view
- :of it. I was speaking from the point of view of being basically
- :monolingual.
-
- For some people, your scenario might actually turn out to be the case.
- I think a better way to characterize the personae model is just as
- that, a model, which explains general experience more easily, for now.
-
- cheers,
- Lorenzo
- --
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