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- From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
- Subject: Re: Some Comments/Questions
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.002053.28027@tcsi.com>
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- References: <42871@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:20:53 GMT
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- In article <42871@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
- >
- >Hello. I just started reading this group and thought I'd make a few
- >comments/questions.
- >....
- >(3) Languages in dreams.... I am bilingual (Japanese and English)
- >and I dream in both languages, often mixed together. In my dreams,
- >there will be people who I know in real life only speak English,
- >speaking Japanese (or the other way round). If there are other
- >bilingual dreamers out there... does this happen with your dreams
- >too, or do you tend to stick to one language for one dream? Do people
- >speak the 'correct' language in your dreams?
-
- I am not bilingual, but I have studied Japanese a little. I once
- spoke Japanese in a dream, because I was talking to someone who
- was Japanese. I was surprised, upon waking, that I could do this,
- and considered it a real step forward. (Now I'm not so sure....)
-
- Other true bilinguals I've known have reported the same confusion
- that you have. One woman I know met the man who is now her husband
- at a time when she was quite interested in her dreams. She spoke
- almost no French, and he no English, so for awhile, the only time
- she could understand him was when he spoke English in her dreams.
- As they both began to learn the other's language, there was some
- alternation.
-
- I believe there is a theory that second languages (and subsequent
- ones) are neurally localized differently from first languages.
- Maybe dream personalities just hook into whichever random speech centers
- they can regardless of which language they are bound to in real life.
- It's even possible that conversing with them in *their* native language
- makes the speech centers in your brain that are associated with that
- language less available to them, increasing the chance that they will
- resort to others, to your surprise.
-
- How often has a single-language personality spoken another language
- when he/she was the first to speak, as opposed to when they were
- responding to something you said in their language? Did the
- conversation tend to alternate between languages, or just stay with
- one?
-
- >(4) Reading in dreams.... I have found that often I will be reading
- >signs, etc. in my dreams. I have noticed that I see mostly signs
- >written in Chinese characters in my dreams as opposed to things
- >written in English. I had seen somewhere that people who can read
- >Chinese characters often will dream of reading more than those who
- >don't simply because characters are a 'sight reading' sort of
- >pattern recognition as opposed to phonics. Anyone else heard of
- >this? Unfortunately I never seem to remember to look at the signs
- >twice to see if they change. ^_^
-
- I think it might have more to do with the number of different characters
- and patterns. There is a model of dreaming called "activation-synthesis",
- based on the observation that the brain is internally generating random
- stimuli ("activation"), which it unconsciously interprets and assembles
- ("synthesis") into more reasonable percepts based on patterns learned
- in waking life. With a much larger number of characters, it's more
- likely that some random stimulus will be interpreted as a character,
- and hence you will have more reading dreams. If most of the characters
- you know are Chinese, then maybe you will see more of them dreaming
- Just a theory, of course, but it seems to cover a lot of cases.
-
- There is also recent research linking REM sleep with learning. Since
- students in China and Japan have to spend a lot of their study time
- learning characters, and since dreams apparently help consolidate
- learned skills, maybe there will be a tendency to recall previous
- consolidation-dreams with characters in them.
-
- >(6) The lucid dreaming threads are quite fascinating. I have only
- >had a few lucid dreams which seemed to occur spontaneously (I can't
- >think "I want to have a lucid dream" and then have one). I do recall
- >several dreams per night, and like to write them down in a notebook.
- >I find them to be a good source of plots and characters for writing.
-
- If you are having them spontaneously, then deciding that you want to
- have more of them should increase the number you have. Unfortunately,
- it can then become something to be frustrated about, instead of just an
- interesting thing once in awhile. It depends on how good you are at it.
-
- > Maiko Covington mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
-