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- From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
- Subject: Re: Somalia
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.035734.24397@news.columbia.edu>
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- Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:57:34 GMT
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- In article <1h5vnrINN9f2@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
- >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
- >>
- >>My argument is that this mission will fail and fail miserably if the
- >>US or UN does not take this course of action, a reconcilliation
- >>between the rival clan leaders seeming to be the more remote
- >>possibility.
- >
- >The goals of the mission were defined to be the protection of the relief
- >workers. Thus the mission will succeed, in the sense that it will achieve,
- >with few casualties, the goal set out for it.
- >
- >Did you ever think we were there to do more than that? Then you can blame
- >the media, which has been misconstruing the purpose of this intervention
- >from day one. I picked up a paper yesterday, and saw the headline
- >"Disarmament Mission". The fact is that disarmament is only a minor part of
- >the mission: only a method of making certain areas more safe, and not an end
- >in itself.
-
- No, the mission will fail in the long-term because the relief workers
- may not be sufficiently protected after we leave (depending on UN
- deployments). If you want success without some sort of disarmament,
- then we may well be there for quite a while.
-
- >
- >I think the idea that we can "fix" Somalia is typical liberal hubris. It is
- >up to the Somalians to fix their nation, or to let it relapse into tribal
- >boundaries. And what if Somalia does disintegrate into a set of small
- >nations? Local government need not be particularly bad. Look how well
- >centralized government worked for them under Siad Barre. Little wonder that
- >they let it crumble.
-
- Perhaps true, though if clan boundaries are overlapping, of if a clan
- you disagree with controls the food producing regions, there may be
- some problems later on. <shrug>
-
- >
- >>I don't think we should remove all arms by force. This risks shifting
- >>Somali public opinion against us. What may happen is an offer of
- >>food/money for guns. We'll have to see.
- >
- >Money for guns? Hahaha. They will sell you only their old and useless guns.
- >Just look at what happened to various money-for-guns programs in the US.
- >And the Somalians need their guns a lot more than US citizens do.
-
- True, though it's arguable that the fewer guns there are in the
- street, the better.
-
- >
- >Food for guns? The people with guns have not had a problem getting food.
-
- I thought this was the problem.
-
-
- --
- "What does not kill me only makes me stronger, right?"
- "Ooooh, no. You're weak as a kitten!"
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