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- From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
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- Subject: Re: Somalia
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 00:32:46 GMT
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- In article <1h29tiINN69d@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
- >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
- >>The UN contingent that will be deployed in Somalia will be stronger than
- >>the 100 Pakistani there before the Marines landed. The US commitment
- >>has spurred other nations to chip in about 13K - 22K troops. I don't
- >>expect all of them to stay there, but what will remain should be
- >>considerably more powerful than the warlords.
- >
- >No. In any conflict with "peacekeepers" the warlords would have the
- >advantage of surprise, which is worth ... well, it's worth a lot.
- >
- >The only question would be whether they knew how to take advantage of it.
- >
- >And you still seem to think we will disarm the warlords. Explicit
- >government statements to the contrary notwithstanding. Even the fact that we
- >discovered a cache of weapons belonging to Aideed or one of the others, and
- >then withdrew without confiscating them, does not seem to have enlightened
- >you.
-
- My argument is that this mission will fail and fail miserably if the
- US or UN does not take this course of action, a reconcilliation
- between the rival clan leaders seeming to be the more remote
- possibility. We already have seen cases of this, as relief columns
- are robbed as soon as the Marines leave the area. This kind of
- banditry will return in full once the US withdraws its combat troops.
- Surely our Government will see this eventually, especially with
- continued UN prodding, and immediate responsiblity falling on the
- Clinton administration. Policy changes.
-
- I don't think we should remove all arms by force. This risks shifting
- Somali public opinion against us. What may happen is an offer of
- food/money for guns. We'll have to see.
-
-
- >
- >>Because Bush is an asshole, to put it bluntly. The Kurds were killed
- >>in part because of an exercise in realpolitik ("balance of power" and
- >>all that)
- >
- >The Kurds were killed because we did not care to make Iraq into a colony.
- >Would you rather we had?
-
- Balance of power: we did not want Iraq dismembered into Iraq,
- Kurdistan and a Shiite nation in the south. Further, we did not want
- the restive Kurdish population in Turkey to start thinking bad (for
- Turkey) thoughts.
-
- We would not have had to occupy Iraq to guarantee Kurdish safety. We
- could have set up safety zones perhaps earlier (Before public pressure
- forced Bush into it. Reactive policies tend to cost more than
- proactive ones.), for one thing. Further, we could have enforced the
- ban on military flights instead of overlooking the transgressions.
-
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- "What does not kill me only makes me stronger, right?"
- "Ooooh, no. You're weak as a kitten!"
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