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- From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
- Subject: Re: Somalia
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:25:14 GMT
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- In <1h29tiINN69d@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) says:
- >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
-
- >>The UN contingent that will be deployed in Somalia will be stronger than
- >>the 100 Pakistani there before the Marines landed. The US commitment
- >>has spurred other nations to chip in about 13K - 22K troops. I don't
- >>expect all of them to stay there, but what will remain should be
- >>considerably more powerful than the warlords.
-
- >No. In any conflict with "peacekeepers" the warlords would have the
- >advantage of surprise, which is worth ... well, it's worth a lot.
-
- >The only question would be whether they knew how to take advantage of it.
-
- >And you still seem to think we will disarm the warlords. Explicit
- >government statements to the contrary notwithstanding. Even the fact that we
- >discovered a cache of weapons belonging to Aideed or one of the others, and
- >then withdrew without confiscating them, does not seem to have enlightened
- >you.
-
- But no one can say that this policy will continue; certainly not with a
- new president taking office. UN Secretary General Boutros-Ghali (sp?)
- is pushing for the US to disarm them. Clinton may listen, if Bush doesn't.
-
- >>Because Bush is an asshole, to put it bluntly. The Kurds were killed
- >>in part because of an exercise in realpolitik ("balance of power" and
- >>all that)
-
- >The Kurds were killed because we did not care to make Iraq into a colony.
- >Would you rather we had?
-
- Whether or not it was a good idea to help the Kurds, this isn't
- accurate. They were killed because for the US to protect them, as they
- set up their autonomous area, would have made Turkey, as well as Syria,
- extremely upset; they were afraid it would give inspiration to their own
- Kurdish minorities.
-
- The other reason was that we were afraid it would lead to the
- partitioning of Iraq by Turkey, and more importantly, by Iran. And we
- were extremely worried about Iran and the spread of Iranian Shiite
- fundamentalism to the "moderate" Gulf states.
-
- --
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