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- From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Re: I HAD NO CHOICE ( was: Biological reaso
- Message-ID: <4y44VB1w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 03:09:50 GMT
- References: <1992Dec21.171033.7973@walter.cray.com>
- Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
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- jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:
-
- > The women who is sexually, mentally, and physically abused by her husband
- > should leave. Money and personal gain isn't on her list of priorities.
-
- No, but in many of these situations the women are also afraid of losing
- their child, worried about where to go and how to survive. I've also
- seen those who have a deep ingrained sense of loyalty --stand by your
- spouse-- no matter what. When I began dealing with family law cases, I
- found myself amazed that people weren't aware of the services and alter-
- natives available to get them out of the circumstances they're in.
-
- > No person needs to be abused.
-
- Some masochists might disagree. (-: <sorry, couldn't resist>
-
- > Not all women are helpless.
-
- But those who cannot extract themselves from abusive circumstances are
- a lot more helpless than you might imagine. If you think about it, the
- helplessness they manifest is defined by their inability to leave.
-
- > It is also a crime to assault people.
-
- It's also a crime to falsely accuse people, but it's becomming a very
- common facet of family law.
-
- > Abuse awards no one, it punishes assualters for those who can prove it in
- > court.
-
- If it goes to court. Oftentimes it doesn't.
-
- > Assault is punishable.
- > Mental abuse ISN"T.
- > Mental abuse is a made for t.v. movie that display's women like feminists'
- > wish them to be; victims who need MORE rights than others. Personally,
- > I think feminists are mistaken. Women are much smarter than that.
-
- Whoa. Mental abuse (more commonly called Emotional Abuse) has a prevalence
- in America unrivaled in any other country. It is an actionable offense, as
- you pointed out earlier, if it can be proven in court. Emotional abuse has
- many faces too. From telling someone repeatedly that they have no value,
- to making threats with no substance, but are believed by the victim. Emo-
- tional abuse is responsible for a tremendous amount of damage.
-
- To label it as a "made for tv movie" is hardly accurate, Jon. The abuse is
- so destructive, that we're waking up to the fact that it's responsible for
- a significant portion of child suicides. Earlier this year I had a young
- boy as a client --he killed himself. His father wanted no part of him and
- his mother was an alcoholic. He made it clear that he believed that he had
- no value at all. Just when we got him placed with relatives, he committed
- suicide. Emotional abuse is no 'movie.'
-
- > It is not a crime to claim large amounts of a husband's money because the
- > boyfriends dick has more money (divorce awards women, punishes men all in
- > the name of children). The system isn't working Amy.
-
- That's more or less true. (I don't argue that the system is broken, but I
- take exception to your generalization.) PEOPLE are screwed by the family
- law system all the time. Men are, and women are.
-
- If it's at all possible, we need to try to focus the anger of our divorces
- towards the right party. Many of the women who use the system as a weapon
- do so with the encouragement of that system. If the law was intelligently
- written and approached, we'd see a lot less of the crap. Many of the men
- who used the system as a weapon --or it's loopholes to slide, do so again
- with the encouragement of the system. Action/reaction, cause/effect.
-
- It's weird science, to be sure. But grant me this --the overall number of
- people hurt by our systems of family law vastly outweigh the feminists,
- conservatives, or traditionalists. To help them in their quest to keep
- the genders off balance and at each other's throats is a little foolish.
-
- Happy Holidays!
-
- ---
- Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
-