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- From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
- Subject: Re: Unbe Awakens
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.215757.4142@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec21.205046.9271@data-io.com> <1992Dec22.044833.21515@midway.uchicago.edu> <1hard6INNalo@gap.caltech.edu>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:57:57 GMT
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- In article <1hard6INNalo@gap.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
- >Michael mentions:
- >>believing one is _currently_ in error in one's beliefs would seem to be
- >>a contradiction (conversely, believing one _cannot_ be in error in
- >>one's beliefs would be arrogance bordering on insanity :-) ).
- >
- >Abner digests this thought, then counters, "Well, given that I am an imperfect
- >person (which I think I've demonstrated adaquatly in at least *some* of my
- >posts =8) ), I believe quite strongly that at least some of my beliefs can
- >be, must be, incorrect! Of course, this belief might be incorrect, in which
- >case all of beliefs must be correct, including the one above, which leads
- >to a paradox! Gee, I seem to have proven that I'm correct in believing that
- >some of my beliefs are incorrect ..."
-
- >"Flaws, Michael?"
-
- "All right, I'll amend my statement: Believing that any
- particular belief which one currently holds is in error would seem to
- be a contradiction. Indeed, an obvious one, unless one can both hold
- and not hold a belief-- which is the premise for 1984's doublethink
- but a difficult _conscious_ process for most people. (If it's
- unconscious, the person won't _know_ they believe the opposite at the
- time they make the contradictory assertion.) Believing that one
- is certainly or almost certainly in error in one or more of one's
- beliefs, though one doesn't know which those are (or one presumably would
- correct them), is only reasonable intellectual humility. Does that
- work? (As a corollary, some fraction of my Usenet posts must be total
- nonsense, but I'll never realize the fact until it's too late.
- Perhaps this is one of them :-) )"
-
- Michael
- --
- Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS "Indeed I tremble for my country
- mss2@midway.uchicago.edu when I reflect that God is just."
- mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
- mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu Virginia (1784)
-