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- From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
- Subject: Re: Unbe Awakens
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.023201.17460@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
- References: <105249@bu.edu> <1992Dec18.165850.18161@e2big.mko.dec.com> <105441@bu.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:32:01 GMT
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- In article <105441@bu.edu> mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes) writes:
-
- >"I think this is a good point - all of us are in some sense
- >constrained by the time we live in, and by the society we
- >developed in."
-
- >"Hmmm. If I have Michael's ideas correct, though, a response
- >to this might be that our cannibalistic ancestors were pretty
- >far away from the 'absolute moral standard,' and that our current
- >societal views are closer to that standard."
-
- >"Of course, a cynic could say that our ancestors were closer
- >to the absolute standard, and we have been in moral decay
- >ever since we stopped practicing cannibalism... "
-
- "Actually, I would guess that strictures against cannibalism
- aren't `primary' morals at all. That is, I speculate that the reason
- cannibalism is immoral, if it is, is because it tends to lead to other
- sins-- murder being the most obvious, but also things involving
- disrespect for others, objectifying people, etc. I don't know whether
- `innocent' cannibalism is possible. I do know that in a society like
- ours it is virtually impossible for reasons including those given by
- Jubal Harshaw in _Stranger in a Strange Land_: with meat costing what
- it does, and poverty existing, do you really think people need another
- temptation to murder? But beyond that, consider how some people turn
- sex into a manner of using people, with rape being the ultimate in
- treating a person like an object (although rape also entails
- deliberate hurt as well as simply indifference to the person's
- wishes). If people saw others as potential meals, that might be
- extended still further and through people who wouldn't be tempted by
- rape.
-
- "It's sort of like the Jewish dietary laws. There's a line in
- the Bible, "you shall not cook a calf in its mother's milk". From
- there, through Talmudic safeguarding, comes the whole array of rules
- against eating any sort of milk and any sort of meat anywhere near
- each other. The idea being that _even_ if by some horrible
- coincidence, you happen to have the meat of a cow's calf _and_
- someone's put the mother's milk in the goat's milk bottle, you still
- can't be led into mixing the two if you don't put milk and meat
- together at all. If you don't eat people, you don't have to fear
- coarsening your sensibilities or letting hunger get in the way of your
- respect for your fellow humans. And being neither tempted to eat
- people nor having to deal with cannibals, I don't have any need to
- decide whether cannibalism is absolutely, always, 100% wrong.
- Fortunately for me, that's not my department. :-)"
-
- Michael
- --
- Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS "Indeed I tremble for my country
- mss2@midway.uchicago.edu when I reflect that God is just."
- mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
- mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu Virginia (1784)
-