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- From: bl275@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Diaz)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism.moderated
- Subject: Re: Existence of gods (Atheism FAQ point 7)
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 01:01:06 GMT
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- In a previous article, jkopersk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Koperski) says:
- >
- >There is a key difference in the case of Israel. God came to the Israelites
- >and revealed himself. The Jews were not a people in search of such a being.
- >If God had not chosen to do so, then our knowledge of God would be much more
- >limited than it already is. In fact, the theist's justification for believing
- >in the existence of such a being would be, in my view, quite restricted without
- >some sort of special revelation.
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- As I read the FAQ, if God revealed himself to Israel, so he could reveal
- himself plainly to us today. As a former evangelical, this lack of
- contemporary revelation was a reason I began to question my faith. If God
- is not believed in, then its his own fault.
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- >A short review of 20th century philosophy will show that attempts to rule out
- >theological discourse as "non-cognitive" (Carnap's term) or otherwise
- >essentially flawed have always come back to haunt science. That is, applying
- >the same criterion to the "good discourse" of theoretical science rules out
- >part of that discourse. One atheist philosopher still carrying this torch is
- >Kai Nielsen. His debate with J.P. Moreland (_Does God Exist?_, Thomas Nelson,
- >1990) would be helpful in reworking the FAQ.
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- I also read the Nielsen-Moreland debate. The problems with logical
- positivism's handling of theoretical constructs in science are of no effect
- in attacking the argument on the meanfulness of religious language. Martin
- does and excellent job of surveying the history of the meaningfulness
- argument and christians' reponses to it (Atheism: A Philosophical
- Justification). Martin goes on to show that despite much criticism, the
- position that religious language is devoid of meaning is still quite strong.
- --
- Dizzy Dan ddiaz@cwru.bitnet bl275@cleveland.freenet.edu
- Department of Molecular Genetics - Albert Einstein College of Medicine
- "My opinions are my own, and they should be yours as well"
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