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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: In Job, Lucifer was proved right!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan02.130932.24908@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 13:09:32 GMT
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- David Butler (alpinist@eskimo.com) wrote:
- : In article <1992Dec30.221033.22612@zeus.franklin.edu> scruggs@zeus.franklin.e
- du (Kevin Scruggs) writes:
- : >In article <1hspfdINNl1o@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell T
- urpin) writes:
- : >>Oh, the morals that can be drawn from this story! Lucifer was
- : >>proved right about Job and Yahweh wrong. Does this mean that we
- : >>should take Yahweh's attitudes about how people are and what they
- : >>can be with a grain of salt? Does the story show that Yahweh
- : >>does not know as much about the people he created as he thinks he
- : >>does?
- : > It brings up an interesting question: if one's actions can be
- : >predicted with certainty (by even a deity) can it be said that free will
- : >really exists?...
- :
- : I can look at my past and see exactly what choices I made. I know with
- : certainty what I have already done. Does that mean I did not have free
- : will at the time? If the past can be fixed and free will still exist,
- : then why would free will not exist just because the future is fixed?
- : Or in other words, if I know what choices I already made and had free
- : will at the time - couldn't the choices I will make be known and still
- : be the result of free will?
-
- Ah, but if your future is fixed do you really have free will, or just the
- illusion of free will? Are you a free agent or just an actor playing out a
- previously prepared script? If the Xian god exists, can you surprise god?
- --
- Mike McAngus |You are a fluke of the Universe. You have no
- mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org |right to be here, and whether you can hear it
- The Truth is still the Truth |or not the Universe is laughing behind your
- Even if you choose to ignore it.|back. -- National Lampoon, Deteriorata
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