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- From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The Bible As A Rorschach
- Message-ID: <76031@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 23:12:01 GMT
- References: <1992Dec28.230529.19778@arden.linet.org> <38kb02Uf30UF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <1992Dec30.234815.25495@arden.linet.org>
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- In article <1992Dec30.234815.25495@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
- >
- >assuming of course God is a figment of my imagination. Question: if my
- >argument and viewpoint are so silly, why are you wasting your time responding
- >to me? You seem to have mistaken me for someone concerned with "Saving You".
- >I don't really have an interest in convincing you there is a God. I'm
- >interested in finding out why Atheists can be so convinced there is no God.
-
- You'll have to either specify which atheists you are talking about
- or define 'so convinced' then, because the level of conviction
- varies from one atheist to another.
-
- As for the other matter, I often respond to arguments that I
- consider silly in order to point out the reasons I have for
- thinking they are silly. This affords me the opportunity to
- learn why my impression is mistaken, or alternatively, to
- help another person improve his or her reasoning. Of course,
- sometimes the outcome is less productive, but such outcomes are not
- usually my goal.
-
- >The point (and suggestion) was that the apostles fudged the story of the
- >Christ and his ressurection. We would not be talking about "Shiites dieing
- >for their faith" but we'd be talking about people dieing for something
- >they knew was a lie or comprimised truth. BIG DIFFERENCE.
-
- Nevertheless, I don't think it is so well established that people
- would not die to defend a fudged story that martyrdom can be
- used as proof that a story wasn't fabricated. More precisely, I
- would want to see very convincing evidence that people will never
- die to defend a fabricated story before I would consider such an
- argument to be compelling.
-
- >There is only one reality. Someone is wrong (be they atheist or Christian or
- >muslum).
-
- Do you have a compelling argument that there is only one reality, or
- are we meant to take the assertion on faith?
-
- >Ah I see what you ment. Either God is a lousy communicator or we're just
- >lousey interpreters. You're right.
-
- I think one can go further than this. Given that God knows what sort
- of interpreters we are, he must be a lousy communicator.
-