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- From: muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen)
- Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.201701.694@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
- Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
- References: <1992Dec29.163307.21853@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1992Dec29.112032.1498@walter.cray.com>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 20:17:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.112032.1498@walter.cray.com> jwest@wisc (Jeff West) writes:
- >brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
- >:
- >: Jeff West (jwest@wisc) writes:
- >:
- >: : I just love these kind of rationalizations. NOT! Your a real piece
- >
- > < see previous post for all of my comments here>
- >
- >: : Jeff "you really hit my hot button" West
- >:
- >: It grieves me to hear this kind of discussion. God gets accused of
- >: things that are really not his to begin with. Both Christians and
- >: non-Christians alike attribute the pain and suffering in the world
- >: to God. This is not true.
- >
- >Hey it was one of your own that sparked my post. I know that there are many
- >different opions on Christianity. But read his post again. He clearly
- >states that it's your god that *gives* us these things as *gifts*. You say
- >he doesn't. Maybe you two should talk.
-
- God is, right now, in the process of perfecting everyone who would dare to
- accept His grace. He allows trials in the lives of His children to refine
- them and make them more and more able to love as He loves. I agree that God
- doesn't do bad things to us - He allows them to happen. Satan thinks he is
- getting a pretty good deal when he gets to mess with the life of a believer
- (like Job), but in the end good comes of it for those who love the Lord.
-
- >As for the rest of you post I only have 2 comments.
- >
- > 1.) Why did your god "deliever into the hands of Satan" such a
- > righteous man as Job? Why did your god need to torture a
- > true believer? Wasn't his obedience and faithfulness enough?
- > Or is it just your gods form of entertainment?
- > "Man I just can't shake this guy! He REALLY REALLY believes
- > in and serves me. Hey I know, let's test him!"
-
- Read Job. He was better off for these occurences and closer to God as a
- result of them.
-
- > 2.) Your one of those that believes that the earth is ~5000 years
- > old aren't you.
-
- Young earthers should really read Hugh Ross' "The Fingerprint of God".
- Keep in mind Romans 1:20.
-
- >clink, screeeeeeep, clink
- >
- >The above sound you just read is my unlocking the atheist cage. I'm going
- >to go put on my flame retardent suit now, cause it's gonna get REAL hot here
- >before you post has seen its end. 8-)
- >
- >
-
- John M.
-