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- From: joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The Bible As A Rorschach
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.234815.25495@arden.linet.org>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 23:48:15 GMT
- References: <9211241258.AA21354@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> <1992Dec28.230529.19778@arden.linet.org> <38kb02Uf30UF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
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- In article <38kb02Uf30UF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
- >>>OT (instead of thinking one knows the content), one finds a lot of disturbing
- >>>stories of genocide, mass murder, killing of almost every living being,
- >>>slavery, and mutilation ordered or directly done by god. Looks like the
- >>>premises given above contradict, doesn't it?
- >>>Interestingly, a Fundi came up with an excuse like: Genocide, when ordered by
- >>>god, is ok.
- >>
- >>Justice, when it is Just, is OK. You appear to assume God has your sense
- >>of what is acceptable and what is not. Did you actually know the people God
- >>killed? How do you know they didn't deserve death in the eyes of God?
- >>For your assumption of contradiction to hold water you would have to know
- >>both God and the people that were killed intimately.
- >>
- >
- >I think you've missed the point. We don't believe in any gods, including
- >the god of your religion. So we don't make any assumptions about them
- >(apart from the obvious one that they are figments of the imagination
- >until proved otherwise).
-
- Ooohhhh so thats why the newsgroup is called atheism and why people talk about
- the nonexistance of God. Why thankyou. You've cleared so much up!
- <sorry but I couldn't resist.>
-
- >
- >All the poster wrote was that your god's attributes are self-contradictory
- >and that fundamentalists who believe in biblical inerrancy go through hoops
- >to try and rationalise the contradictions.
-
- and I proceeded to explain why *I* am able to see past a face value assump-
- tion.
-
- >
- >"How do you know they didn't deserve death in the eyes of God?"
- >
- >Substitute "a figment of the imagination" for "God" and you will get some
- >idea how silly your argument is.
-
- assuming of course God is a figment of my imagination. Question: if my
- argument and viewpoint are so silly, why are you wasting your time responding
- to me? You seem to have mistaken me for someone concerned with "Saving You".
- I don't really have an interest in convincing you there is a God. I'm
- interested in finding out why Atheists can be so convinced there is no God.
-
- <some stuff deleted>
-
- >People of ALL religions have died for their faith. Does that mean that
- >Sunis who died at the hands of Shiites were right, or Shiites who died
- >at the hands of Sunis were right?
-
- The point (and suggestion) was that the apostles fudged the story of the
- Christ and his ressurection. We would not be talking about "Shiites dieing
- for their faith" but we'd be talking about people dieing for something
- they knew was a lie or comprimised truth. BIG DIFFERENCE.
-
- >
- >Nobody is saying that it is a lie. Just that it is not the truth. It is a
- >religious pseudo-truth which is somewhere between the bounds of true and false.
-
- whats the difference? Intention? If its false I could care less about the
- intention.
-
- >All religions claim to be the one and only revealed truth, and use the same
- >kind of circular arguments to back up their claims. What is your reaction
- >to a moslem who quotes the Koran to prove his religion is the correct one?
-
- There is only one reality. Someone is wrong (be they atheist or Christian or
- muslum).
-
- >I think that the original idea of this thread is that different people read
- >whatever they want to read from the bible. Certainly all the different sects
- >of christianity interpret it differently, selectively ignoring the bits that
- >contradict the bits they like.
-
- Ah I see what you ment. Either God is a lousy communicator or we're just
- lousey interpreters. You're right.
-
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