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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.011550.15801@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:15:50 GMT
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- ed_eck@milkwy.enet.dec.com wrote:
- :
- : In article <1992Dec29.163307.21853@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
- : brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes...
- :
- :
- : [...]
- :
- :
- : >
- : >It is sad. Truly a pity. But guess what? God didn't create it that way.
- : >He originally created us to live forever.
- :
- : Not at all. Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden specifically
- : so that (from later in Genesis) they would not eat of the tree of
- : life and live forever ("And become like Us."). God did not give them
- : eternal life when they were created and never intended mankind to have
- : eternal life. At the expulsion from the garden, God only comdemned
- : Adam and his descendents to toil in the fields and Eve and all women
- : to bear children in pain (and kick around the serpent now and then),
- : not to suffer death. There is no evidence in Genesis that God
- : sentenced Man to die.
-
- Good points.
-
- :
- :
- : Also, bear in mind that when God announced his prohibition of eating
- : from the tree of knowledge, Eve had not yet been created. There is
- : no evidence that she had been told of the prohibition by Adam. She
- : can hardly be considered guilty of transgressing a rule she didn't know
- : about.
-
- Even I, an atheist, know better than this. Gen 3:1-3 contains the following
- exchange:
-
- S: Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?
- E: We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the
- fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden the garden (the tree of life and
- the tree of knowledge) that god said, "You shall not eat it or even touch it,
- lest you die.
-
- Now it may be argued that Eve only mentions one tree, while two are supposed to
- exist in the middle of the garden; but, since she eats the "forbidden fruit" we
- can assume she knew the restriction intellectually.
-
- My question is, without the ability to know right from wrong, how could Adam
- and Eve truly been responsible for their actions. It is like telling a four
- year old not to eat the cake on the counter. If the ten year old comes along
- and entices the four year old to eat some cake then who is guilty?
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