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- From: epowers@huey.NMSU.Edu (POWERS)
- Subject: Re: Science and choice
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.010027.12981@nmsu.edu>
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:00:27 GMT
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- In article <ednclark.725008082@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey
- Clark) writes:
- > kim@Lise.Unit.NO (Kim Gunnar St|vring \yhus) writes:
- >
- > >In article <BzIww4.996@ecf.toronto.edu>, vanweer@ecf.toronto.edu
- (VANWEERDENBURG NICHOLAS JOHN) writes:
- > > > Someone who knows please expand on this: isn't there completely random
- > > > atomic events ( such as radioactive decay, I think ) that totally DESTROY
- > > > any notions about the universe being causal ( ie deterministic and, so
- some
- > > > conclude, no free will ). I read this once ( possibly Hawking or Penrose
- )
- > > > but can remember the exact claim, or any formal proof. If this is true,
- then
- > > > this has been known since the '30's and why is there this discussion?
- >
- > >Yes.
- >
- > >As far as it is possible to test for randomness, there really are a lot of
- > >absolutely random processes in nature. F.ex. which of the photons hitting
- the
- > >film in your camera will make the film darker? (Actually quite few)
- >
- > >It has been known since the 30's, but you know what people think of
- scientists:
- > >mad, incomprehensible, ivory tower, responsible for pollution, atom-bombs,
- > >nuclear fallout, atheists, closed minded, without human feelings, arrogant,
- > >indecisive.
- >
- > >This makes a lot of inertia to the truths of science.
- >
- > >Seem to me scientists are a prosecuted minority.
- >
- > Is it possible that such processes seem random merely because we do not know
- > every possible causitive factor? IMHO, Radioactive decay seems random merely
- > because we cannot measure what is happening beneath the level of the event
- > which has instigated the event. We can't accurately predict weather as we
- > don't know all the influential factors, however we do know now the dates of
- > a coming eclipse, and the amount of energy produced by the decay of
- > sub-atomic particles is proportional to the amount of mass annihilated,
- > because we understand the mechanisms of such previously wonderous events far
- > better now (not to say that such events are any less wonderous just more
- > predictable).
- >
- > Jeff.
-
- This is the best answer I've seen to the questions posed to me. I
- can't improve on it, so I'll leave it be!
- Erik Powers
-