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- From: joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The Bible As A Rorschach
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.015338.23357@arden.linet.org>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 01:53:38 GMT
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- >>
- >>Justice, when it is Just, is OK. You appear to assume God has your sense
- >>of what is acceptable and what is not.
- >
- >This is an example of one of my biggest objections to christianity:
- >the abuse of language. A typical dialogue with a christian begins
- >with such bland pleasantries like "God loves you" and "Believe and
- >gain eternal life". Only later, after much discussion and study,
- >does one learn that the meaning of such words as "love", "life",
- >and "justice" actually contain a different meaning than they do
- >in normal discourse.
-
- abuse of language? How does one abuse language? I'm not out to 'trick'
- you or confuse you. If the gospel is that confusing to you then I'd say
- you did very little "study". Try finding out *why* they are telling you
- 'God loves you' instead of taking the face value..... that is if they
- know. Several people have pointed out that many if not most Christians don't
- even know whats really in the Bible. As a Christian I've observed this to
- be true.....sadly.
-
- >>Did you actually know the people God
- >>killed? How do you know they didn't deserve death in the eyes of God?
- >
- >The only reason that YOU believe that these people deserved death
- >is your willingness to abandon independent judgement in favor
- >of trust in an arbitrarily selected religious tradition.
-
- Naw I grappled with it.
- God created man for a specific reason. Fellowship. He is, by his own
- definition, Holy and will not tolorate sin. If HIS creation does not
- work the way he intended it to, does he not have the right to scrap it?
-
- Oddly enough, I'm still trying to figure out why the animals had to be
- killed if they were doing what they were supposed to.
-
- >>For your assumption of contradiction to hold water you would have to know
- >>both God and the people that were killed intimately.
- >
- >Wrong. When I hear a story of a child being killed, I don't
- >really have to know the child or the killer to conclude
- >that a breech of justice has occured. But then, I'm just
- >a plain ol' human who thinks that human life has an inherent
- >value; maybe if I achieved your level of God-consciousness
- >I would be able to know which humans "deserve" death.
-
- Our differences lie in blame. You blame God for doing what he said he
- would do. I blame those that were responsible for incurring his wrath.
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