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- From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:46:46 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.234646.18912@prime.mdata.fi>
- References: <1992Dec28.210152.19416@arden.linet.org> <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec29.161139.13531@nmsu.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec29.161139.13531@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec28.210152.19416@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
- >
- >
- >
- >>Seems that Stephen Doe has done us all a favor by warping the subject very
- >>badly. Here are the facts:
- >>
- >>1) I have NOT made any theses or hard statements, thus I am indifferent
- >>2) This was meant as a poll for opinions, NOT an argument
- >>3) I can believe that some people are offended, but then say what your
- >>opinion is, DON'T flame me.
- >
- >I have a hard time believing you don't have an emotional attachment to
- >your thesi--I mean, "sincere observation." Does the fact that it is
-
- You really are bitching as much as you can. I'm glad I don't have such an
- attitude.
-
- >only a sincere observation mean you don't need to back it up? Does
- >that mean we are assholes for pointing out that your pre-conceptions
- >*might* have an effect on your observations.
-
- And when did I call you an asshole? And why can't your pre-conceptions work
- on your opinions?
-
- >
- >My opinion, Iikka, is that 1) IQ is probably not as good a measurement
-
- "The greatest thing psychologists have ever made."
-
- >as you think 2) you have a huge emotional attachment to your position,
-
- Sorry, but you haven't given me any proof/evidence to think otherwise,
- that's why my current stand is what it is. Nothing to do with emotion.
-
- >blinding you to the possibility that even people as intelligent as
- >yourself may arrive at a different belief--I think you need this
- >notion of atheistic superiority to bolster your self image, hence the
- >hostility to those of us who pointed out any weaknesses in your
- >position.
-
- I can't help it if the facts are hard. "Hostility"? You think I am hostile
- if I am not you in every opinion?
-
- >
- >You could have saved yourself from getting flamed, if instead of going
- >on about my "emotional attachment" to Christianity, and other absurd
-
- I still find it ridiculous, even humorous, for you to take that statement
- as an insult. Maybe a weak excuse to start insulting me?
-
- >and insulting statements that anyone interested can see for themselves
- >in your previous posts, you had answered my posts rationally. I think
-
- And how would've I had to respond if I wanted to respond rationally?
-
- >most of us can see that your anecdotal evidence is a load of crap, and
- >that your criticism of my saying so has just been one long ad hominem
- >attack. You've done a lot to show that atheists can be just as
- >irrational when it comes to deeply held beliefs as any theists.
-
- Does it give you a good feeling when you bash someone? You aren't doing
- much more.
-
- >
- >SD
-
-
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- /o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- \__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
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