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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The Bible As A Rorschach
- Message-ID: <12220@kesson.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 14:02:18 GMT
- References: <9211241258.AA21354@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> <1992Dec28.230529.19778@arden.linet.org>
- Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK
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- In article <1992Dec28.230529.19778@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
- >In article <9211241258.AA21354@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> I3150101@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
- >>[...] when one actually reads the
- >>OT (instead of thinking one knows the content), one finds a lot of disturbing
- >>stories of genocide, mass murder, killing of almost every living being,
- >>slavery, and mutilation ordered or directly done by god. [...]
- >>Interestingly, a Fundi came up with an excuse like: Genocide, when ordered by
- >>god, is ok.
- >
- >Justice, when it is Just, is OK. You appear to assume God has your sense
- >of what is acceptable and what is not.
-
- Obviously not. The men who broke into my flat a year ago also had a
- sense of what was acceptable and what was not which differed strongly
- from mine. I don't call them good, though. I call them thieves, and
- in the same way I call the god of the Bible a sadist and a murderer.
-
- >Did you actually know the people God killed?
- >How do you know they didn't deserve death in the eyes of God?
-
- This is exactly how Hitler and Stalin got their power and kept it for
- such a long time. This is the kind of attitude on which they relied.
- You saw and heard of people who were arrested, condemned, executed,
- but you assumed that everything was fine. After all, you couldn't be
- sure that they didn't deserve their fate in the eyes of Big Brother.
- Big Brother never punishes innocent people. Big Brother is always right.
-
- This is an extremely dangerous way of thinking.
-
- >For your assumption of contradiction to hold water you would have to know
- >both God and the people that were killed intimately.
-
- Not one of the victims of the Holocaust has been an acquaintance of mine.
- I reckon I should feel comfortable with their deaths.
-
- I have no intimate acquaintances in Somalia or Bosnia. Perhaps things
- are all right there after all.
-
- >>>Actually not, because his biographers - or inventors - could have easily
- >>>adjusted the biography to fit the prophecies.
- >
- >and then proceed to be crucified, boiled in oil, stoned, sawn in half etc...
- >knowing full well the lie they were dying for.
-
- What about the priests of Baal whom one of the prophets of Yahweh
- slaughtered, in 1 Kings 17 (I think)? Did they die for a lie, or
- maybe Baal is The One and Only Lord after all?
-
- What about the people who were tortured to death by the Inquisition
- for maintaining the opinion that the Bible is a book of lies and that
- Christianity is drivel?
-
- >The fact is, they either
- >witnessed the fullfilling of these prophecies and deemed it worth dying for
- >or they fudged and knew the real truth.
-
- Or they did confess that they had been talking nonsense, but were
- executed none the less. Or they had managed to brainwash themselves
- and one another into believing the strange tale they had come up with.
- Or they had simply lost their wits, all of them. Or one of feenty-feen
- other explanations, none of which is more implausible than what they are
- claimed to have claimed.
-
- >hint: Start claiming all the apostles really didn't get martyred and IT was
- > all a lie too!
-
- This is certainly a claim which is worth considering. I'll sooner
- believe that it was all a lie than that what the Gospels say about
- Jesus of Nazareth is anything other than a lie.
-
- --
- `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) Gospel)
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