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- From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
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- Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
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- Date: 29 Dec 92 21:44:30 GMT
- References: <1992Dec27.073652.5991@en.ecn.purdue.edu> <1992Dec28.122831.21650@walter.cray.com> <1992Dec29.163307.21853@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec29.163307.21853@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
- >
- >Jeff West (jwest@wisc) writes:
- >
- >: I just love these kind of rationalizations. NOT! Your a real piece
- >: of work John. I have nothing against what you believe. Faith or lack
- >: thereof in religion and god is a personal thing. But your above
- >: statement shows an * Incredible * lack of compassion and humanity!!!
- >: The statement that finally pushed me over the edge of considering
- >: myself a Christian anymore was after watching a beautiful 4 year old
- >: little girl go through the terrible torture of chemotherapy for cancer.
- >: After a long fight and spending most of her life knowing nothing but
- >: fear and pain people actually had (have) the gaul to say;
- >: "It was god's will."
- >: If this is your god and his idea of; "giving us something that's good
- >: for us in the long run." Then you can KEEP him and all of your assinine
- >: beliefs!
- >:
- >: Jeff "you really hit my hot button" West
- >
- >
- >It grieves me to hear this kind of discussion. God gets accused of
- >things that are really not his to begin with. Both Christians and
- >non-Christians alike attribute the pain and suffering in the world
- >to God. This is not true.
-
- You have no idea what an atheist is, do you? Atheists do not accuse "God"
- of anything, because "God" is a figment of your imagination.
-
- Atheists do not attribute anything at all to the christian god because
- they have no reason to believe it exists other than in the mind of
- christians. Other non-christians might attribute things to their own gods,
- but I can't see (for example) a Confucian attributing anything to the
- christian god.
-
- >
- > I'll state my point first then back it up. The point is this.
- >Ultimately, we as humans have chosen death over life. We had preferred
- >cancer and old age a long time ago. The four year old girl gets what
- >she has inherited from the beginnings of humanity. Death. Suffering.
- >It is sad. Truly a pity. But guess what? God didn't create it that way.
- >He originally created us to live forever. God doesn't dole out cancer
- >to 4-year olds. Such is a sad and major consequence of what we as
- >humans chose for ourselves a long long time ago.
-
- What is sad and truly a pity, is that people believe can believe the kind
- of crap you have just written. Thankfully other people are trying to find
- ways to prevent or cure this kind of cancer.
-
- >
- > Do you remember that in the Bible, we humans chose to gain access
- >to the knowledge of good and evil at the price of our lives. Despite God's
- >ample and clear warning. we chose to eat from that infamous fruit. It
- >reaped death for Adam and Eve then. It reaps death for us now. We,
- >through some sort of spiritual genetics, inherited death from the
- >originators. Due to Adam and Eve, humanity had changed ever after.
- >We now die. 80 year olds die. 4 year olds die. There are old age, cancer,
- >sickness, war, starvation. All this stuff happens now. But remember,
- >this is not the way God created it to begin with. God's will then is
- >still his will now. For all to come to Him and have everlasting life.
-
- I don't know how much of this crap is in the bible, and how much is your
- own interpretation. But why should we believe any of it? Even if it is
- all in the bible?
-
- >
- <biblibal quotation and selective interpretation deleted>
- >
-
- Why does a certain kind of religious believer think that he can convince
- an atheist just by selective quoting and interpreting from the bible?
-
- Please explain to us why we should believe the bible rather than the koran
- or the vedas, and why we should believe in the christian god instead of
- Allah or Krishna or Zeus or Osiris or Odin or any of the others?
-
- I don't believe in any of these. That's why I am an atheist.
-
- >
- >
- >
- >With sincerity,
- >
- >
- >
- >Brian Ceccarelli
- >----------------
- >brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu
-
- Do born again fundies think that they were atheists before they were born
- again, instead of mainstream christians?
-
- Chris Lee
-