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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.192416.10668@nmsu.edu>
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec28.003534.15314@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec28.044250.11398@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec28.115039.22563@prime.mdata.fi>
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:24:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.115039.22563@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec28.044250.11398@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >>You have IQ scores on 1000 people? You have an accurate idea of how
- >>religious every one of these 1000 people are? If you've done such a
- >>study, great, tell us more. But I hope these are not just
- >>"impressions" you have gained from casual observations.
- >
- >Being very interested in psychology, I like to 'analyse' people I meet. Using
- >the method of elimination on the masses is an easy process.
-
- Try analyzing yourself, oh man of no emotional attachments.
-
-
- >>>No thanks. Only to a person who does something with them.
- >>
- >>Why are you afraid to do this? Afraid we'll steal your thunder? If
- >>it's at all rigorous, then it is just the substantiation your
- >>position needs.
- >
- >So much work.
-
- Sure.
-
- >>>Anybody saying that my 'thesis' is not substatiated or sounds stupid, can say
- >>>what they want, because I don't have a thesis.
- >>>So what if you prove that intelligence has no effect on atheism? Easy?
- >>
- >>So we're not to ask for any kind of rigorous substantiation because
- >>you haven't presented a "thesis", just some "sincere observations."
- >>
- >>Is it possible you still don't see the fallacy of your position?
- >>
- >>You've basically admitted here you have no real proof of your
- >>position. But of course, it's still rational to take your position.
- >>That's the sort of "reasoning" most of us live to disabuse Christians
- >>of, you know.
- >
- >Correct. I *don't* have any real proof. "Sincere observations" don't require
- >hard proof. You've been imagining thing all along.
-
- Thank you, that's just what I wanted you to state. My word, but it
- was hard work getting you to say so!
-
- Why then did you react in such a hostile manner, when I first observed
- this?
-
- >>>And? How true have you found the christians beliefs to be? Did you not use
- >>>intelligence to deduce your conclusion?
- >>>I am just getting more and more support for the original idea.
- >>
- >>The point of this discussion is that we are not going to hold you to
- >>more lenient standards than we would hold a Christian to, if they made
- >>the same sort of arguments in favor of a correlation between
- >>intelligence and Christianity. You seem to admire scientists very
- >>much, why don't you go learn how a real scientist would attempt to
- >>show if your correlation existed?
- >
- >You still didn't answer the question.
-
- Oh, you are completely missing the point here! I do not apply a
- double standard to Christians and to non-Christians, when I evaluate
- their statements.
-
- I do not think Christian beliefs are true. A rational analysis lead
- me to this conclusion. Happy?
-
- SD
-