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- From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:27:47 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.112747.22088@prime.mdata.fi>
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- In article <1992Dec28.015302.19206@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >>Proof of this 'intelligence' in Luther et al.
- >>You must define intelligence for yourself to be able to state this.
- >>You are bashing yourself with your own words.
- >
- >Try reading something they wrote. *Given* their premises (which I as
- >an atheist don't accept) their reasoning from said premises does not
- >violate logic. It's just that we don't need to accept the premises as
- >true--there is no good evidence in support of said premises. This
- >says nothing about the quality of reasoning from those premises,
- >though.
-
- Yes, I have read some things they have wrote, and found nothing to indicate
- high intelligence.
-
- >
- >Why are you so hostile to those who disagree with you?
-
- Dream on. I never attack anybody emotionally. Last time I did that 8 years ago.
-
- >>If you don't find my experiences significant, why don't you have some experien-
- >>ces for yourself. This isn't a thesis or anything, just a sincere observation.
- >>Anybody saying that my 'thesis' is not substatiated or sounds stupid, can say
- >>what they want, because I don't have a thesis.
- >>So what if you prove that intelligence has no effect on atheism? Easy?
- >
- >Well, my experiences happen not to match yours, which is what caused
- >me to question this position.
-
- You are evading the question again.
-
- >
- >Do you always get so angry when someone happens to disagree with you?
-
- I never get angry. Seems you must be losing some sleep because of this matter.
-
- >>So why on earth are you demanding a definition of intelligence, when you are
- >>giving one yourself?
- >
- >*I* am demanding the definition, not Mike.
-
- That doesn't change the point. Why don't you bash Mike because he doesn't
- happen to agree with you in everything.
-
- >>And? How true have you found the christians beliefs to be? Did you not use
- >>intelligence to deduce your conclusion?
- >>I am just getting more and more support for the original idea.
- >
- >I don't think they are true at all.
- >
- >I am getting more support from you for *my* original idea, which is
- >that this supposed correlation between intelligence and lack of
- >religious belief boils down to an ad hominem attack on those you
- >disagree with. I wouldn't stand for it from a Christian, and I won't
- >stand for it from you.
-
- Have you just learnt the words 'ad hominem' or why are you using it so vainly?
- You seem to have a very hard time answering the questions.
-
- >
- >In my original post, I merely voiced concern over the potential ad
- >hominem nature this argument can take. For this I get flamed by you?
-
- Tell me how I flamed you, first. BS describes your replies.
-
- >
- >I think you are confusing criticism of your *conclusions* with
- >criticism of your *methodology*. Please, if you are going to make
- >such sweeping generalizations in the future, make sure you don't
- >use such sloppy methodology.
-
- I'm sorry, but I won't let people like you stop rational conversation.
-
- >
- >SD
-
- Look up at the post, and see what you wrote. Consider the starting point of
- this thread and look where this has degenerated. You seem to have slight
- attitude problems. Everybody would be better off if you didn't post anymore.
- If you do, trim the messages.
-
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