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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.071210.1149@nmsu.edu>
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec17.040551.8750@timesink.chi.il.us> <s!V=jTC@engin.umich.edu> <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:12:10 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >Am I seeing wrongly, or is there a connection between one's IQ and one's
- >religiousness? Of all people I know, I know only about 8 exceptionally smart
- >people (IQ>125), and all of them happen to be atheists. On the contrary, the
- >dumbest people I've seen (eg. unable to use a remote control) are the most
- >religious. Observing other atheists that I don't know (from this group for
- >example) leads me to make a conclusion that on the average, atheists have a
- >much better sense of logic (and thus usually have a higher IQ) and think much
- >more clearly than religious people. From my own experiences, I can say that
- >freeing oneself from the grasp of religion requires a certain level of logical
- >thinking. Coincidentally, all these 8 people are mathematically gifted.
- >When I speak of atheism here, I mean it to be a lack of belief in any god or
- >superstition.
- >Opinions?
- >
- >BTW, if this offended you, go to a church instead of coming to alt.atheism.
- >--
- > __/|_ , ,--------------------------------------------------------------,
- >/o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- >\__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
- > ` ` `--------------------------------------------------------------'
-
- Ah, here's the first post in the series. Well, old bean, in this
- first post you didn't:
-
- tell us the size of your sample (later you say it's 1000)
-
- tell us how you prevented any bias from creeping into your
- observations (oh, that's right, you're not biased at all. Yeah,
- right, give me a break)
-
- tell us how the sample was selected
-
- tell us how you determined degree of religiousness, and IQ, for the
- 1000 person sample you later refer to
-
- etc.
-
- Do you see what I am getting at now?
-
- At most, tentative observations like this should prompt us to see if
- such a correlation exists. In and of itself, this just doesn't cut it
- as a "proof" of your correlation, not without a lot more to back it
- up. This isn't a bedtime story, you can't just make sweeping
- generalizations on the basis of such flimsy evidence. Ah, but I
- forget, my emotional commitment to decent intellectual standards and
- fairness have blinded me to the Gospel as propounded by Iikka
- Paavolainen.
-
- It still seems to me that this correlation is just being used as a
- convenient device to dismiss theists with the wave of a hand. Ad
- hominem all the way.
-
- SD
-
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