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- From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:51:07 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.115107.6732@prime.mdata.fi>
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- In article <1992Dec27.044332.27661@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec25.162355.8674@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >>Environment, personality and idealistics are also important factors,
- >>but not as important is logical intelligence. You can also find atheists
- >>among the dumbest people.
- >
- >One question: How do you know they are not as important?
-
- How do you know that 1+1 is 2?
-
- >
- >I don't know, but I'm starting to suspect you people are seeing what
- >you'd like to see. I have NOT seen this correlation, in my own
- >personal interactions with intelligent people (or "logical
- >intelligent" people, if you prefer.) No one has provided a citation
- >to any sort of study yet that would confirm OR deny the alleged
- >correlation. All I've seen are arguments like "Well, within my circle
- >of friends, I've observed a correlation between intelligence and lack
- >of belief." I believe Onar then responded with, "Well, in MY circle,
- >most everyone with IQ>125 is Christian," to which Iikka responds by
- >saying that he ought to raise the cutoff to an IQ of 160.
-
- 125 is a low level
-
- >
- >The fact that I have pointed this out has earned accusations of
- >"emotional attachment" to Christianity by Iikka. I responded by
- >saying that my emotional attachment is only to decent intellectual
- >standards, which in Iikka's mind somehow confirms the correlation he
- >is trying to show. (Ironically, he does not seem to mind that he may
- >have an "emotional attachment" to the idea that atheists are more
- >intelligent than theists.)
-
- As many people probably know, it is much easier to get an emotional
- attachment to Christianity.
-
- >
- >My friends, if a Christian came here and said, "On the basis of my 8
- >intelligent friends, who are all Christians, I conclude that
- >Christians in general are more intelligent that atheists," you'd flame
- >said Christians to ashes. You'd certainly ask for more hard evidence
-
- "8 friends" seems to be stuck in your skull. Suppose we won't be getting
- anywhere before you broaden your vision.
-
- >of such an assertion. Yet I get flamed by the likes of Iikka, for
- >daring to question such questionable methodology. I'm sorry if it
-
- When did I flame you? You started be flaming *me*, wake up!
-
- >upsets you, but I have no intention of holding my fellow atheists to
- >standards less rigorous than the standards I would apply to Christians
- >making equivalently outrageous statements. If you have good, solid,
- >statistically significant data in support of your position, then let's
- >have it Iikka! Otherwise don't waste my time.
-
- You can have all the time you want by not posting your flames.
-
- >
- >SD
- >
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- /o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- \__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
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