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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.044332.27661@nmsu.edu>
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi> <Stafford-221292170738@stafford.winona.msus.edu> <1992Dec25.162355.8674@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:43:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec25.162355.8674@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >In article <Stafford-221292170738@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
- >>Consistent in my experience, too. However, I do find among some of the
- >>brightest (and intellectually brave) a compelling interest in
- >>transcendental consciousness or the idea of a greater 'mind' but not
- >>the conventional notion of a god.
- >
- >Environment, personality and idealistics are also important factors,
- >but not as important is logical intelligence. You can also find atheists
- >among the dumbest people.
-
- One question: How do you know they are not as important?
-
- I don't know, but I'm starting to suspect you people are seeing what
- you'd like to see. I have NOT seen this correlation, in my own
- personal interactions with intelligent people (or "logical
- intelligent" people, if you prefer.) No one has provided a citation
- to any sort of study yet that would confirm OR deny the alleged
- correlation. All I've seen are arguments like "Well, within my circle
- of friends, I've observed a correlation between intelligence and lack
- of belief." I believe Onar then responded with, "Well, in MY circle,
- most everyone with IQ>125 is Christian," to which Iikka responds by
- saying that he ought to raise the cutoff to an IQ of 160.
-
- The fact that I have pointed this out has earned accusations of
- "emotional attachment" to Christianity by Iikka. I responded by
- saying that my emotional attachment is only to decent intellectual
- standards, which in Iikka's mind somehow confirms the correlation he
- is trying to show. (Ironically, he does not seem to mind that he may
- have an "emotional attachment" to the idea that atheists are more
- intelligent than theists.)
-
- My friends, if a Christian came here and said, "On the basis of my 8
- intelligent friends, who are all Christians, I conclude that
- Christians in general are more intelligent that atheists," you'd flame
- said Christians to ashes. You'd certainly ask for more hard evidence
- of such an assertion. Yet I get flamed by the likes of Iikka, for
- daring to question such questionable methodology. I'm sorry if it
- upsets you, but I have no intention of holding my fellow atheists to
- standards less rigorous than the standards I would apply to Christians
- making equivalently outrageous statements. If you have good, solid,
- statistically significant data in support of your position, then let's
- have it Iikka! Otherwise don't waste my time.
-
- SD
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