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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.211614.15278@nmsu.edu>
- Keywords: Bible--psychlogy--fundamentalism
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec25.061448.12598@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec26.032102.6648@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:16:14 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec26.032102.6648@en.ecn.purdue.edu> muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
- >
- >What strikes me more than anything is that you have not presented any
- >problems associated with Biblical faith. Rather, the ones you have
- >presented are a result of faith which is lacking, and the problems
- >would not go away were this faith to be dropped (if it could be).
- >
- >For example, hatred of homosexuals is not a Biblical theme.
- >Hatred of homosex certainly is, which is not the same thing. Don't
- >go off on some psychological tangent on me here-- THEY ARE NOT THE
- >SAME THING, IMPLIED OR OTHERWISE. How do I know? Because I love
- >homosexuals and hate what some of them do. If I can do it, it can be
- >done. Jesus certainly had this attitude.
-
- "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." I believe that quote is from
- Romans, though I don't have my Bible handy at the moment. Seems to
- imply God can hate the sinner as well as the sin. . .
-
- I do not see much in the way towards hatred of homosexuals in liberal
- or mainline denominations. It seems to be a conservative phenomenon,
- part of those churches that most stress the primacy of the Bible.
-
- I'm not going to accuse every Christian of hating certain groups of
- people--it just seems to be something that the Bible promotes.
-
- >Exactly what does the Bible tell us that is harmful to society if
- >integrated and accepted? If there is any harm to be had, it is in
- >the clash between acceptance and non-acceptance. From everything I
- >have seen, the Bible believer is generally a happier, more joyful,
- >more hopeful, and more successful individual in life than the person
- >who rejects Biblical advice and command. Where is the depression?
- >I do not see it in my life or the lives of my fellow BB's. If our
- >"fake" joy is as much, it is more real than any offered by any other
- >source, which makes me seriously question the motivation behind these
- >postings. If the whole world had Bible Believing minds, what would
- >things be like? If their are Christians out there who live in fear
- >and depression, then maybe you had better try the Bible Brand of
- >Christianity! :-)
-
- My own phase of Bible-belief featured just the sort of fear and
- depression Dr. Cohen spoke of, which is why I was receptive to what he
- had to say. The motivation behind these postings was to present Dr.
- Cohen's views, partly to help those others such as myself, who might
- be suffering from that fear and depression, and partly to see what
- others had to say about the views of Dr. Cohen.
-
- Obviously there will be a lot of difference in how people react to
- Bible-belief--I think his analysis is much more a matter of the
- "inner-directed" believer's reaction, than of the "other-directed,"
- for whom the church atmospherics is what mainly counts.
-
- But God can take on a terrifying face for those who know the Bible too
- well. I think it's up to you guys to show how God's love still shines
- through, given many incidents in the Bible that certainly cause me to
- question how "loving" he really is. . .
-
- I think that if the whole world had Bible-believing minds, we'd see
- some schisms so that they could have somebody to be against. . .
- One result of Dr. Cohen's analysis is the expectation that the
- biblically authentic believer will need some outgroup to project his
- shadow upon.
-
- >_Is_ having the Mind of the Bible Believer damaging to the individual
- >or society? I have yet to see it.
-
- >I am not qualified to comment on the psychological analysis
- >presented, but even if it were right on, it is meaningless
- >unless it can be shown that there is some other attainable state of
- >mind that is superior from an end product view.
-
- If the Bible really does promote inner divideness, as Dr. Cohen
- maintains, then the reconciliation of psychological opposites, which
- biblically-authentic belief obstructs, would be the healthier state of
- mind.
-
- But I'm not qualified to comment on his psychology either, which is
- another reason why I posted this series, to see what someone qualified
- in this area might have to say.
-
- SD
-