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- From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
- Subject: Re: Science and choice
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- kim@Lise.Unit.NO (Kim Gunnar St|vring yhus) writes:
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- >Thats why I said "As far as it is possible to test for randomness,".
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- >A polarized photon has 50% chance of going through a 45 degree polarization
- >filter. Unlike an atom nucleus, photons have no observable parts that can keep
- >local variables, or as you call it:"beneath the level of the event".
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- >It is alway possible to make physical theories without randomness, but those
- >theories still possible to make, are becoming more and more messy.
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- >Good bye, Determinsm.
-
- Beside the point that if the universe is deterministic on a
- sub-atomic level then we still have free will on the macroscopic level of
- awareness, the fact that we cannot determine the causes does not mean the
- universe is not deterministic. It is only pragmatically non-deterministic.
- Personally, I beleive that if we think we have free will we have it. Whether
- or not the universe is deterministic or not is irrelevant. The fact that if
- we were able to predict the movements and reactions of every sub-atomic
- particle we would be able to predict what the reactions of someone will be
- is irrelevant, the person is still exercising free will.
-
- Jeff.
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