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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: Challenge to Agnostics
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.025507.27851@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:55:07 GMT
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- The One and Only (jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
- : In article <ednclark.724898160@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey
- Clark) writes:
- : >
- : >Yes, knowledge is never absolute, it just has a probability of truth to the
- : >owner of the knowledge. I am 100% sure of my own existence, and that other
- : >than that and this beleif no other thing can be 100% certain. Just for the
- : >record here is a run-down of my continuum:
- : >
- : >Prob. Beleif
- : >
- : >100 My own Existence
- : >100 Nothing else is 100% certain
- : >99.9999 I have sight, hearing, smell, touch and taste available.
- : >99.999 That my senses reasonably accurately relate to me the environment
- : >99.999 The existence of my body, friends, car, house, and everywhere I've
- : > been. Insert theory of probability and theory of gravity here.
- : >99.99 That Adolf Hitler existed, New York exists, and other things I see
- : > in reliable texts and communication mediums. You could probably
- : > insert the theory of evolution about here.
- : >99.9 That St Paul existed, William shakespeare and those things which are
- : > pretty well accepted but minor bits of doubt hang if only due to
- : > long periods of time between now and then.
- : >99 The existence of Jesus.
- : >50 That Jesus did actually think he was the son of a god, and did most
- : > of the things attributed in the bible.
- : >0.0001 That Jesus did any form of miracle, such as walk on water, resurrect
- : > Lazarus, or turn water into wine etc etc.
- : >0.0001 That there is some form of deity that magically can do amazing
- : > things that we should worry about (ie either worship or defend
- : > against).
- : >10^-10 That the judeo-christian God exists, and that Jesus is the way to
- : > heaven, and that a God would give a shit what we think of
- : > hime/her/they/it.
- : >
- :
- : What about black holes, atoms, gravity, quarks?
- :
-
- I think it's unfair to require Jeff to assign probabilities to everything in
- the world.
-
- : What is your basis for assigning 100% probability to the statement that
- : nothing else is 100% certain?
-
- He did say these were his beliefs. If they are his then he has the right to
- assign the values with which he is most comfortable. For instance, I assign a
- probability of only 40% to the existence of Jesus.
-
- :
- : At what point does a probability become so close to 100% or 0% as to be of
- : no real or practical difference? For example:
- :
- : What is the difference between the world we live in and a world without God?
- :
- : or
- :
- : What is the difference between the world we live in and a world with black
- : holes?
-
- The difference between the world we live in and a world with black holes is
- infinite in my opinion, because the world we live in could not exist anywhere
- near a black hole without an amazing advance in technology
- --
- Mike McAngus | Let the raucous sleigh bells ringle
- (mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org) | Hail our dear old fried Chris Kringle |Tom
- The Truth is still the Truth | Driving his reindeer across the sky |Lehrer
- Even if you choose to ignore it. | Don't stand underneath when they fly by.
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