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- From: rhuss+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Robert Huss)
- Subject: Re: YO! READ THIS (not an answer, a question) (WAS: Re: Truth)
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- In article <1992Dec19.184748.22163@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
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- |> |> There could be a god, who encouraged many forms of religion, all with some
- |> |> common ground.
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- |> There could be, but why should you believe that there is? A lot of things
- |> "could be".
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- |> I really don't understand how you can be an atheist and believe that there
- |> are universal truths. (Although I have a feeling I'm going to find out!)
- |> If you're going to go that far, you might as well believe in a god, too.
- |> There is just as much evidence for each, IMNSHO. To me it is just wishful
- |> thinking that there is a Universal Truth, at least until I see some evidence
- |> for it.
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- Well, according to other posts "defining" the levels of atheism,
- I'd be a weak athiest. I don't believe in god, don't think there is one,
- but I'm not so sure of myself that I would say that there couldn't be. Actually,
- I'm very confident that there is no god like the various religions claim there
- is. Given the nature of the universe however, it is quite possible that there
- are "godlike" entities, or a single godlike entity.
- As far as my belief in a Universal Truth, I think it is obvious that
- there is a single way that the universe DID come into existance, and a single
- set of physical laws which rule the universe. I just think that Belief in
- a specific Truth doesn't make a bit of difference to us.
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- |> |> I think 3 is kind of neat, although I don't buy it. There are theories
- |> |> about multiple universes, mutliple dimensions and such which might allow 3
- |> |> to flourish.
- |>
- |> Like I said, I wouldn't have phrased 3 the way you did. If there is no
- |> truth, then there is no truth. What's all this multiple universe stuff
- |> all about?
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- |> |> Perhaps our "souls" are interfacing in this dimension via
- |> |> these bodies, but there are other possible dimensions, and other possible
- |> |> creations of the universe. Therefore, when we die, our "souls" would
- |> |> return to their respective home dimensions, and the alternate realities
- |> |> would
- |> |> be experienced.
- |>
- |> What's all this "soul" stuff about? I'm not sure what you mean here.
- |> It all sounds like jibberish to me. Are you an atheist who believes in
- |> souls? Please don't take offense, but this last paragraph is all very
- |> confusing to me. Why are there "souls" if there is no God, no Truth?
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- Since I am simply proposing possibilities, not explaining my beliefs.
- That is why I am putting quotation marks around the word souls. I am proposing
- that the reference for a Universal Truth is the creation of the universe. If
- we propose that there is no One Truth, then we are saying that the creation of
- the universe was not a specific unique event. If it was, then this would be the
- basis for the Truth.
- So, if there is no such thing as One Truth, then there is no such thing
- as a unique creation of the universe, and there are multiple possibilities
- for the creation of the universe. Each person's belief would define a truth.
- so I'm using the word "soul" to denote a person's true self. If there are multiple truths which are all true, there must be some way for them to be
- compatible. If I'm right that there is no god, and Pat Robertson is right
- that there is a god, there must be some complex ordering of "reality" for
- them both to hold.
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- |>
- |> Perhaps a better way of saying 3 would be the following:
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- |> 3'. There is no such thing as One Truth. Each person's perception of
- |> truth is unique. There are multiple ways to live your life with
- |> meaning - pick one.
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- Your way of saying 3 makes no real distinction on the personal level
- between 2 and 3. 2 states that there is a One Truth, but that it doesn't matter
- what your perception of truth is. My original statement of 3 suggests that
- there is no One Truth, and multiple ways to be right, but it certainly would
- matter what you believed, since your belief could affect your Truth. In
- 2, your belief would not affect the Truth.
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- Bob "deeper and deeper (make that stranger and stranger)" Huss.
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