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- From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
- Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.183152.1337@kadsma.kodak.com>
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- References: <1992Dec19.232619.6118@nntp.hut.fi> <BzM8u5.JM3@unix.amherst.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:31:52 GMT
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- In article <BzM8u5.JM3@unix.amherst.edu> pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN) writes:
- >Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) wrote:
-
- [stuff deleted]
-
- >
- >: I hear reports of a war being declared and fought in USA - a war
- >: against "drugs", with the Bill of Rights being the major casualty.
- >:
- >Bullshit. The Bill of Rights is alive and well. There are individual
- >cases of overzealous enforcement, but the courts usually strike them down.
- >
-
- Not exactly. It is now *legal* for drug enforcement personnel to seize
- the assets of people whom they want to accuse of drug trafficking. This
- seizure can take place *before* guilt or innocence is established, and
- recovery of assets in the event that the case falls apart has proven
- to be problematic. The courts have *not* been striking this down.
-
- We've also had cases of people having all of their cash seized by
- state troopers, on the grounds that drug-sniffing dogs could detect
- the residue of cocaine on the bills. The theory here is that anyone
- who is in possession of such bills must be a drug dealer. These cases,
- too have been upheld by the courts, and no money has been returned,
- even though the people were not arrested or charged (i.e., no actual
- drugs were found).
-
-
- >: I hear plans for "boot camps" with "training" for the drug, ie.
- >: political, criminals.
- >
- >They're called prisons. The "boot camp" model is a more active approach than
- >the typical, "let them rot" approach. If given a choice, I would opt for
- >the new approach. And were do you get this "political" crap.
-
- This isn't what Mr. Kuoppala is referring to. He is in fact referring to
- a proposal which was made, in all seriousness, by some Congresspeople,
- to open a series of 'work camps' for drug offenders. These camps were to
- be quite distinct from the regular prison system.
-
- I believe that mandatory drug treatment was part of the package, but
- I'm not sure of this. This may be what Mr. Kuoppala is thinking of.
-
- [more stuff deleted]
-
- >: I see the U.S. vice president saying "No I don't know that atheists
- >: should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered
- >: patriots. This is one nation under God." This during his campaign,
- >: and he is later elected president.
- >
- >A comment almost no one here ever heard of. He is also about to become
- >a former President.
-
-
- I heard this statement. It was reported in the media.
-
- In summary: Mr. Kuoppala overstates his case; so do you.
-
-
- Don Pajerek
-
- Standard disclaimers apply.
-