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- From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
- Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
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- Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
- References: <1992Dec19.232619.6118@nntp.hut.fi> <BzM8u5.JM3@unix.amherst.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:39:36 GMT
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- In article <BzM8u5.JM3@unix.amherst.edu>
- pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN) writes:
-
- >Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) wrote:
- >
- >: I hear reports of kids trained to inform to the officials about their
- >: parents.
- >
- >That's plan silly.
-
- I take it, then, that you've missed all the news reports on children
- turning their parents in, usually for drug abuse, sometimes for other things?
-
- >: I hear reports of proposed legislation to required every telephone or
- >: other communication network operator be required to build taps for the
- >: Government on all equipment.
- >:
- >Tapping a phone is not that difficult. It can be done anywhere. This country
- >requires a court order in all but a few extreme cases.
-
- There's been far too much "Oops, you mean we were supposed to get
- a court order?" Anyway, what with the advances in technology, it is getting
- harder and harder to do taps. That's part of the big stink over encryption.
- Even if they can do the taps, they want to be able to read the communications.
-
- >: I hear reports of proposals for mandatory registering encryption keys
- >
- >Still a proposal. Hotly contested. Most people don't use encryption and
- >don't care.
-
- So? Being a minority in this country doesn't mean you've surrendered
- all of your rights, yet, no matter how much the (little-d) democrats would
- like it to be. That "most people" don't care is irrelevent.
-
- >: I hear reports of U.S. government hitting on a ship on international
- >: waters for transporting a drug illegal in USA, while the ship was not
- >: coming from USA, was not going to USA, and had no anything else to do
- >: with USA.
- >
- >Hitting on? That's what guys do to women at single's bars. I suspect a
- >translation problem here. I haven't heard
- >of any serious complaints about U.S. activities in international waters.
-
- I think this involved a drug smuggler in international waters
- heading to Canada.
-
- >: I hear reports of a war being declared and fought in USA - a war
- >: against "drugs", with the Bill of Rights being the major casualty.
- >:
- >Bullshit. The Bill of Rights is alive and well.
-
- No, the Bill of Rights is dead and buried. There are wisps of the
- first still hanging around for, I would guess, sentimental value, but the
- second through the tenth are, for all practical purposes, gone completely.
- It was when the federal judge ruled that having a large amount of
- case was probably cause to have it confiscated as being part of a drug
- transaction that the fourth finally bit the big one.
-
- >There are individual
- >cases of overzealous enforcement, but the courts usually strike them down.
-
- I suggest you read up on civil forfeiture, no-knock raids,
- warrants based on anonymous tips (supported by oath or affirmation my
- ass) and other amusing aspects of modern law enforcement.
-
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