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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: What is consciousness?
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:54:28 GMT
- Organization: sgi
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- In article <TmumuB10w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- |>
- > > Could you please outline the procedure you use to decide what is
- > > rubbish? For example, I pointed out that one of your claims -
- > > consciousnesses can contact one another directly and that this
- > > can be tested - leads to a recursive problem. Namely: if A claims
- > > to contact another consciousness B directly, then I can only check
- > > this directly by contacting A's consciousness directly.
- >
- > Let me see if I have your idea straight. There are two souls, A
- > and B, right? Are you one of them or are you a third soul, C? In
- > that case, you can simultaneously contact both A and B. Maybe
- > you could outline the problem in more detail. Better yet, e-mail
- > it to me.
-
- Your claim was that consciousnesses could contact one another
- directly. I pointed out that if A claims to contact B directly,
- then the only way I can check the truth or falsity of that is to
- contact A directly.
-
- The trouble is, if A is kidding himself about contacting B, I may
- just as well be kidding myself about contacting A.
-
- The issue is not the contacting, but in your claim that this kind
- of thing can be proved. People who shared belief systems "prove"
- one another's claims all the time. But by sharing belief systems,
- they may simply be sharing delusions.
-
- jon.
-