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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: What is consciousness?
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:48:31 GMT
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- In article <TmumuB10w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- |>
- |> > Could you please outline the procedure you employ to distinguish
- |> > between a poster who is "too confused to understand anything"
- |> > and one who does understand, but is not yet convinced?
- |>
- |> Many of the posts here do not seem to be addressed TO individuals,
- |> but rather to the general readership ABOUT the posts of other
- |> individuals. For some time I have been attempting to respond personally
- |> to every post whose subject was one of my other posts. This has become
- |> impossible. My solution is to answer only posts which appear to be
- |> directed TO me personally, and which contain some form of sober and
- |> sincere inquisitiveness.
- |>
- |> I regard as "confused" a reader who has misunderstood the simple
- |> definitions which I have stated over and over again, and, proceeding on
- |> that misunderstanding, tries to dismantle a proposition I never
- |> advanced. For instance, I have many times defined "life" as a
- |> nonmaterial phenomenon, yet there are still people arguing with me about
- |> viruses, as if the physical mechanism of the virus is "life".
-
- I see, so what it boils down to is that if someone does not agree
- with a definition that you have proposed, then they are "confused".
-
- I think that the question of whether life is a "nonmaterial phenomenon"
- or simply a piece of behaviour which can be exhibited by the physical
- mechanism of the virus is well worth arguing about. A couple of years
- ago, Richard harter and I discussed this very issue over a period of
- several weeks.
-
- I am certainly not in the least impressed by someone who thinks that
- they can simply defined 'life" the way that suits them, and expects
- everyone else to accept that definition.
-
- As a matter of fact, I think that defining something as a "nonmaterial
- phenomenon" doesn't help much at all.
-
- jon.
-