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- Path: sparky!uunet!psinntp!panix!mls
- From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
- Subject: Re: In case Bales has convinced you of his honesty...
- Summary: competence
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.051819.8829@panix.com>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:18:19 GMT
- References: <7695@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <98660@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
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- In article <98660@netnews.upenn.edu> rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
- writes:
-
- >I probably shouldn't, but I'll jump in here. I don't think that Bob
- >is lying in the sense that he is saying something that he believes is
- >untrue. IMHO it seems that Bob is just phenomenally incompetent about
- >understanding the objections to his various "explanations".
-
- I am in general inclined to adopt such a position with regard to most
- Creationist "arguments" here. However, this case is a bit special,
- and hence my considered response in this thread, despite my feeling
- that most of Jim's campaigns on these issues are pointless name-calling.
- (I would second most of the comments Jim Lippard has made in one of the
- branches of this topic.)
-
- Bales has in the past advertized in his .signature that he helps Tektronix
- make its instruments. Now, the point he has NEVER addressed in ANY way,
- whatsoever, is the mutual confirmation of independent measurements of the
- same thing. He *has* attempted to insist (rather beyond reason, actually)
- on potential "processes" of error in one or another method of dating.
- That is all very well, but irrelevant. It is *because* one wishes to
- control potential error in one method that one checks it against another.
- This is a lesson most of us learned along with long division in grade
- school -- and it is a lesson utterly essential to any kind of technical
- career, such as Bales lays claim to. All technical work will regard
- the mutual consistency of (potentially each individually wrong) methods
- as validation of coherence and accuracy, and confirmation of the validty
- of the results of each one separately. This is the point Bales REFUSES
- to address, while claiming repeatedly that he has done so.
-
- If he is missing the point, or unable to comprehend the objection that
- is urged against him, it is tantamount to an admission of technical
- illiteracy and incompetency for the job he holds. You may have this
- in mind in suggesting that Bob would be better off admitting lying :-)
- --
- Michael L. Siemon Inflict Thy promises with each
- mls@panix.com Occasion of distress,
- That from our incoherence we
- May learn to put our trust in Thee
-