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- From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.083400.2237@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 08:34:00 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.154852.11082@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <asiFuB3w165w@kalki33>
- Organization: University of Helsinki
- Lines: 46
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- In article <asiFuB3w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
- >
- >> >Good. Test the inference. Create a set of initial conditions (sole
- >> >criterion--no living organisms of any kind present), allow the
- >> >conditions to vary in whatever way you like, and see if you observe life
- >> >coming into existence from non-life. Look for, say, an E. coli, or even
- >> >a T4 phage. That shouldn't be too difficult.
- >>
- >> You must be deaf, or dumb, or both (now, what meaning of dumb I am
- >> using? Hmmmmm...). *Nobody* who thinks abiogenesis happened is saying
- >> random molecules bumped into each other and, lo and behold, a cell
- >> appeared.
- >
- >time t0 ==> no life
- >time t1 ==> ?????? (You tell us, is this life or not? Yes or no?)
- >time t2 ==> life
- >
- >Talk about deafness!
-
- What are you trying to say?
-
- >
- >> *Furthermore*, evolution is not abiogenesis. Let's return to that topic
- >> for a while, shall we? Do you or don't you agree that people, among
- >> other things, evolved from the first replicating <whatever>, however
- >> they were formed?
- >
- >No. Let's get this established first. Abiogenesis says that life "came"
- >from non-living matter, right? Yes or no?
- >
-
- In a way, yes (I'm too tired to quibble about terminology). However,
- once again, nobody is saying molecules bumping into each other in the
- primordial soup formed a living (or dead, for that matter) cell. Do you
- dispute this?
-
- (BTW, answering my question would've required just a "yes" or a "no".
- You're avoiding the issues, as usually.)
-
- Tero Sand
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