home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!dsinc!cs.widener.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!rowe
- From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <98606@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 23:38:55 GMT
- References: <98045@netnews.upenn.edu> <RwJFuB9w165w@kalki33>
- Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu
- Organization: University of Pennsylvania
- Lines: 61
- Nntp-Posting-Host: pender.ee.upenn.edu
-
- I wrote something previously that Kalki did not understand. (Well,
- there's only one thing that I can recall where his lack of
- understanding was explicit...) Let me try again.
-
- Kalki let's say that you have the genome of a dog (I'm not saying that
- your genome is that of a dog, but rather that you know the complete
- sequences of all of a dog's genetic material). Now you find another
- dog, and you have its genome as well. This second dog appears less
- dog-like to you, and you find the mutation in the genome that lead to
- the non-dog-like characteristics. In your opinion, does one of the
- genomes contain less information than the other merely because of this
- mutation?
-
- In article <RwJFuB9w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- writes:
-
- (Mickey Rowe) wrote:
-
- >> Although Watson in a typical fit of hubris claimed absolute certainty
- >> that current life can be explained entirely by physical chemistry, he
- >> did not address abiogenesis in the quotes you posted. Furthermore
- >> there was nothing in the posted quote which indicated that Watson's
- >> hubris came about because he "wanted to believe" what he said.
- >
- >I beg your pardon. I thought that hubris was not a valid scientific
- >method.
-
- You're correct. Are you unaware of the fact that "scientist" is a
- subset of "human"? Do you recognize that scientists can and do do
- unscientific things? Hubris is not a "valid scientific method", but
- it is a trait that some scientists possess.
-
- >I also thought that one of the supposed properties of life is
- >that it arose through abiogenesis.
-
- You seem to have a peculiar definition of the word "property". But my
- answer is no, *I* do not consider life's history to be a "property" of
- said life. I sincerely doubt that very many other speakers of the
- english language would agree with you either.
-
- >Kalki Dasa
-
- Kalki I realize that you have a lot of things to respond to, but can't
- you at least respond in full to those things which do get your
- attention? How is it that you know Watson's motivation for his
- statements? This is now the third time that I've pointed out to you
- that I'm objecting to the following underscored text from one of your
- previous posts:
-
- }In spite of the fact that the laws of physics are very simple, and in
- }spite of the fact that scientists can not even begin to precisely
- }specify any set of initial conditions for the origin of life,
- }nevertheless, simply because they want to believe it, they claim that
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >"in principle" there is such a set of initial conditions that will turn
- >lifeless matter into living organisms in a certain period of time.
-
- Did your "consciousness" directly contact Watson's at some point? If
- so, why are you witholding that information?
-
- Mickey Rowe (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
-