home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!kv07
- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Re: Lionel, Kalki, and Bales . . . take note
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.174909@IASTATE.EDU>
- Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System)
- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <1992Nov16.183055@IASTATE.EDU> <gc7HuB2w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:49:09 GMT
- Lines: 46
-
- In article <gc7HuB2w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- > There still remains the undeniable fact that these simulations could not
- > have existed without your actions and the actions of those who
- > contributed, in whatever way, to the project's design and construction.
-
- So? No matter how you look at it, once that program started out, it was on
- its own. No "divine intervention" on my part.
-
- Likewise, once the universe is started, the structure can appear by the same
- methods. Information ex-nihilo, no problem.
-
- > Now you have introduced an additional term into the discussion,
- > "intelligence". We should deal with this too. If by "intelligence" we
- > mean the ability to run an algorithm, then yes, structure does not
- > require intelligence, since a cube of solid hydrogen at absolute zero
- > has structure but is not running any algorithms.
-
- The point was that this was an information _increase_ over time. No
- information was being put into the system. It just appeared there.
-
- > But if you are using
- > intelligence in the place of, say, consciousness, then this is
- > inadequate, since consciousness is the cause of algorithms, and is not
- > equivalent to them.
-
- How could I use intelligence in the place of consciousness when you haven't
- even given your definition of consciousness yet?
-
- > | Don't forget to chant: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna |
- > | Krishna Krishna Hare Hare |
- > | Hare Rama Hare Rama |
- > | Rama Rama Hare Hare |
-
- Don't forget to chant: I cannot giver rigerous definitions.
- Rigerous definitions I cannot give.
- Consciousness is a property of life.
- Life is what has consciousness.
-
- | __L__
- -|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub
- | | o | kv07@iastate.edu
- |/ `---' Iowa State University
- /| ___ Math Department
- | |___| 400 Carver Hall
- | |___| Ames, IA 50011
- J _____
-