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- From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <P0kFuB12w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:49:48 EST
- References: <1992Nov17.221037.131345@zeus.calpoly.edu>
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- Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA
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- skroger@zeus.calpoly.edu (Seth L. Kroger) writes:
-
- > >"Well, nobody has a
- > >plausible mechanism for naturalistic abiogenesis yet, but nevertheless
- > >I believe that there *is* a naturalistic explanation, because this is a
- > >scientific problem and must have a scientific solution," is what I think
- > >Kalki is challenging.
-
- Yes, this seems fair to say, with the added assertion that not only is
- there no plausible mechanism for abiogenesis, but there is no
- observational evidence either. No one has ever seen life arising from
- non-living matter.
-
- To us the origin of life is also a scientific problem, but we propose
- that it is not reducible under any of the current mechanistic or
- materialistic concepts of science. The origin of life, we claim, will
- not be solved until science enlarges its paradigm to include nonphysical
- but nevertheless real entities, including the soul, the Supersoul and
- consciousness.
-
- > I would argue that it is Kalki and other creationists who should be
- > challenged. It's a question of burden of proof. One important aspect on
- > burden of proof is that you should base a controversial proposition on
- > something that is controversial as well. They say that life can only have a
- > supernatural explaination. This is based on the controversial assumption
- > that the supernatural (ie., God) actually exists. Thus, the burden of proof
- > falls more heavily upon the C'ists than the scientists. (And, if God does
- > exist, there's still nothing to say it must be a supernatural explaination.
- > God could just hang back and let life come about by itself, a Deist's
- > viewpoint)
-
- The problem with proving our alternative explanation of the origin of
- life is as follows:
-
- Our hypothesis (that God is the origin of life) is not accepted by
- materialistic science, which claims that the existence of God is not
- within the realm of observation. This is false. God can, and has been,
- observed. When we describe specific methods for observing the existence
- of God, materialistic science refuses to adopt those methods, and
- thereby never succeeds in observing God. Not caring to admit that it has
- not tried our methods, materialistic science instead claims that we are
- simply making unfalsifiable assertions about the existence of a
- nonmaterial entity. We therefore have no other choice than to conclude
- that materialistic science has made up its mind that it does not want
- God involved in its program, but prefers to try to explain all phenomena
- as the products of matter and mechanism alone. This program is
- unfortunately doomed to failure, since it is not possible to both
- explain all phenomena and omit some of them at the same time.
-
- Sincerely,
- Kalki Dasa
-
-
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