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- From: lippard@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: In case Bales has convinced you of his honesty...
- Message-ID: <17NOV199220394640@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 03:39:00 GMT
- References: <7630@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>
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- In article <7630@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, bobb@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Robert W Bales) writes...
- >
- >Reality check III:
- >
- >In previous postings, Jim Meritt has implied that he would view agreement with
- >as providing evidence for my side. But his subject here implies that anyone
- >who agrees with me is wrongly convinced. Which is it?
- >
- >Jim Meritt writes:
- >
- >>The first on the list is a question that has been asked in talk.origins
- >>MANY times other than just as part of this list. I have never seen
- >>an answer. Has anyone?
-
- I think that in this case, Meritt's posting has better qualifications for
- being a lie than Bales'. I, playing devil's advocate, answered these
- questions on behalf of creationists. I know Meritt saw my replies, because
- they prompted one further exchange between us.
- My position is that there *are* parts of creationism which are
- scientific. That is, there are creationists who have put forth theories
- about one thing or another which are scientifically testable. In most
- cases, the tests have been done and the theories have been falsified.
- Having one's theories falsified does NOT make one nonscientific. The
- history of science is the history of failed theories.
- (Some theories of creationism which have been falsified are flood geology
- and the vapor canopy theory.)
-
- >The first on the list is the contention that creation is scientific. This
- >is what Jim recently made his "one case" about. I responded to this with
- >two articles, the second of which contained answers to the questions from
- >previous postings. I know that Jim saw them because he responded to them.
- >
- >For instance, the first question is:
- >
- > What observations support creationism?
- >
- >I said that observations of the fossil record support creationism. This is an
- >answer. Similarly, I gave specific answers to the other questions.
- >
- >When Jim uses "answer," he apparently means "an answer that Jim agrees with."
- >This, of course, is a bogus definition. In terms of whether I have answered
- >the above question, "answer" means "observations which Bob thinks support
- >creationism." It is a matter of open record in this group that I have given
- >such observations in a posting -- one to which Jim responded. Thus, his
- >statement thathe has seen no answers to the questions, while it may be true
- >according to his strange definition of "answer." is objectively false.
-
- I agree with this paragraph.
-
- This whole exchange seems to me to be rather pointless.
-
- Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
- Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
- University of Arizona
- Tucson, AZ 85721
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