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- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: consciousness: a Kalki sampler
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.164109@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:41:09 GMT
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- In <eDLDuB2w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >TMakinen writes:
- >>Yes, it is a crude example. Another example is the factory robot and the
- >>driver.
- >>The robot has closed covering, so no one can see in and know for sure that
- >>there is a driver inside. But those who understand robots know that the
- >>robot is moving because there is a conscious driver program inside who is
- >>steering, etc.
- >
- >No. Those who understand robots know that the robot was programmed by an
- >intelligent being, and that is why it is moving.
-
- 1. Yes, but the point is that unless the people truely understand robots they
- will believe the above. Thus you must show that your example with humans
- matches reality, and is not a false assumption just like that above.
-
- 2. My alife creatures are robots that were programmed by my computers random
- number generator. Is a random number generator intelligent?
-
- In <ooNDuB8w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >Matter is unconscious, the soul is always conscious. When the sense
- >organs of an embodied soul are anesthetized, the soul may not be able to
- >manifest its consciousness to those around it, but it is still
- >conscious.
-
- If the soul is always conscious then memory must not be a function of the
- soul, since a person who is knocked out looses their short term memory. So what
- does the soul do in your interpretation? If it has no function it might as well
- not exist. If it is unmeasurable then it cannot be shown to exist.
-
- In <JgPDuB13w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >> Uh oh. Kalki just entered stage two of the Creationist on t.o. After fali
- >>to wow everybody into instant submission, he resorts to insult. Stage three,
- >>where reality finally sets in and he starts throwing patches onto his claims,
- >>close at hand. Lets hope he doesn't go all the way to stage 5: Tunism.
- >
- >Yes, we have some expert examples to follow here among you so-called
- >"scientists".
-
- Whoops, there it is: stage 5. And he was even warned. All that is left is
- Stage 6a (Holdenism) or 6b (Baleism) where he is either impervious to any form
- of logic, or dissapears for a while in hopes we will forget his errors.
-
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