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- From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
- Subject: Re: Bales is a liar: evidence - one case
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:20:35 EST
- Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
- References: <1992Nov13.020308.13995@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <5X58TB12w165w@kalki33>
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- In article <5X58TB12w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >
- >That there is no "designer" need not be the only possible explanation
- >for the various apparent idiosyncrasies in the design of organisms. For
- >instance, many people who do not accept the "design" concept suppose
- >that God, or "the designer" would have done things differently. But this
- >is only a personal opinion. Some persons might say "God would have made
- >things more perfect." But this presumes that God's purpose would have
- >been to make a "perfect" world. This too is only an opinion. What if
- >God's purpose was not to make a perfect world, but a rough-and-ready
- >world where certain kinds of rough-and-ready activities are supposed to
- >be performed?
-
- Then why make obvious kludges like the ones listed below, and mentioned on
- other posts? some of them aren't time- or effort-savers, they're doing things
- the *hard* way!
-
- >An intelligent engineer, when faced with the extraordinary task of
- >constructing the body plans for millions of different types of
- >creatures, would probably use a basic plan that could be modified by
- >some simple adjustments. This would be more efficient than trying to
- >design each type of organism from scratch. In this way we can view the
- >genetic code as the work of a very clever engineer.
-
- But the "basic plan" is *not* copied and modified. The classic example is
- to compare the octupus and human eye. In the human eye, the nerves are on the
- inner surface of the eye, between the light and the light-receptors. Not
- only does this limit the light-gathering ability, it makes it necessary for
- the nerves to go out through the retina at some point... giving blind spots.
- Octopus eyes are built sensibly, with the nerves on the outside.
- Did you read the post (Chris Colby posted it, I think) just a few days ago
- that mentioned insects where the nerves that control the wings go down past
- the wings and then loop back? That's doing things the hard way. No
- 'intellgent' designer would consider it (well, not and keep their job).
- Go read Gould's "The Panda's Thumb." (Note: *This* does not require you
- to shell out any money, as the book can be found in any well-stocked
- public library.)
- I'm told that cheetahs are more closely related to dogs than cats,
- genetically speaking. Did the Creators have some extra canine DNA laying
- around when it came time to make the cheetahs?
- Why make bats if you'd already made birds, or vice-versa? Wouldn't one
- plan be enough? (And then there's the flying insects... how many different
- plans can *you* count? Flies, dragonflies, mosquitos, ants, beetles,
- bumblebees...)
-
- >Sincerely,
- >Kalki Dasa
-
- Sincerely,
-
- Ray Ingles
- ingles@engin.umich.edu
-
- Don't forget to chant: "Icky icky icky icky fKANG zoop-boing n zowzyin..."
-