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- From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <em48TB7w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 04:45:25 EST
- References: <1992Nov12.180458@IASTATE.EDU>
- Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA
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- kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
-
- > > Yes, we agree that if matter is somehow manipulated under the control of
- > > a sufficiently advanced computer program --and that necessarily means a
- > > computer programmer too-- then the body of a living organism can be
- > > formed out of simple materials. The more advanced the computer --and
- > > that means the more knowledgable the programmer-- the faster this can be
- > > accomplished. If the programmer is intelligent enough, he can write a
- > > program that will turn stones into bread in a nanosecond!
- >
- > 1) Do you know any programming? Download and examine the Tierra simulator.
- > The program does not do anything to the artificial life it is simulationg exc
- > obey their commands and randomly mutate them.
- >
- > 2) The universe can be viewed as a computer processor. The laws of physics
- > are the assembly code, the atoms & molecules are commands & data.
-
- And who, in this analogy, is the programmer?
-
- >
- > 3) No computer can be programmed to change reality, trust me on this.
-
- So the computer that is programmed to control the operation of a
- gene-splicer is not changing reality? What do you mean by "reality",
- then? If you mean matter, then certainly a computer can be programmed to
- change matter. The electrons that are in the computer are changing their
- positions as a direct result of the program being run.
-
- >
- > > But the best computer in the universe will do nothing without being
- > > programmed, and it will never be programmed unless a living person comes
- > > along and programs it. And of course the computer will never exist in
- > > the first place unless someone designs and builds it.
- >
-
- > False assumption. First, the universe _is_ a computer (so to speak). Seco
- > the mear existence of code actives the Universe 1.0, one atom and it is up &
- > running, no programmer needed.
-
- Where did the code come from, if there is no programmer?
-
- >
- > > So what is your point? That you agree with us that life was caused by an
- > > intelligent being? If not, then what becomes of your computer example?
- >
- > The point was that the life wasn't created by an intelligent being. The
- > "physical laws" were determined by a human, but the rest happened on its own.
-
- If the "physical laws" were determined by a human, then where was the
- human before he invented the laws? Where did the human come from, since
- he could not have been produced by the action of the laws, which did not
- exist until he determined them?
-
- I don't know, prabhu, your statements seem to be getting less and less
- scientific.
-
- Sincerely,
- Kalki Dasa
-
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