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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: talk.environment
- Subject: Re: HCFCs Not Enough of an Improvement (was: . . . Ozone-Friendly Fridge)
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:43:34 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- References: <Greenpeace.16Oct1992.2151@naughty-peahen> <Greenpeace.16Oct1992.2210@naughty-peahen> <1992Oct19.203128.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>,<Jym.19Nov1992.1646@naughty-peahen>
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- In article <Jym.19Nov1992.1646@naughty-peahen>, jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
- >> While it is true that HCFC's contribute to ozone depletion,
- >> they are much less effective at this than CFC's. Their ozone
- >> depletion potentials range from about .01 to .1 (compared to
- >> 1.0 for CFC-11).
- >
- >=-= This comparison is certainly true, but you neglect to
- >address the magnitude of the damage being done. HCFCs are
- >just CFCs with hydrogen added to make them less stable, so
- >that they break up sooner.
- >
- >=-= Given that CFCs yield 100 years of ozone depletion,
- >"sooner" means (to use your statistics) "only" 1-10 years.
- >This is better news, but it is by no means good news,
- >especially for those who'll be spending time in the near
- >future. :-|
-
- Given that your description is accurate, then your conclusion is wrong. If the
- HCFCs get to the stratosphere as easily as do the CFCs and break down more
- easily once they're there, then there wouldn't be any significant difference in
- their effects on the ozone. On the other hand, if the HCFCs are stable enough
- to break down easily in the troposphere, then the total lag in effects on the
- ozone will be the same, but the amount of catalyst involved will be cut by a
- factor of 10.
-
- The relative ease with which CFCs and HCFCs can break down would affect the
- degree of ozone depletion, not the time scale on which the effects will be
- seen.
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- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
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- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
-