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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-on-demand throughout pregnancy
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:06:41 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.130641.9210@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Nov20.064803.18871@ncsu.edu> <1992Nov20.215541.16604@ncsu.edu> <1992Nov23.060309.27416@ncsu.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov23.060309.27416@ncsu.edu>, dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov21.035517.21641@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- > decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >
- > >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >
- > >> The existence of a law doesn't mean that
- > >> the law can be enforced without being challenged.
- >
- > > Name one instance of a third trimester abortion performed
- > > contrary to the law.
- >
- > Before I do that, will you admit that Roe v. Wade
- > is unrestricted abortion-on-demand? If you won't
- > admit it, I don't see any point in providing such
- > an instance.
-
- Huh? If I abandon my position without proof that it is wrong,
- you'll then prove that my position is wrong?
-
- Uh, no. But you knew I'd say that. This gives you the
- classic Usenet out. "I could prove you are wrong, but
- you wouldn't believe me, so I won't."
-
- It's very cute, Reverend. I should add that I phrased my
- request badly. I would say that third trimester abortions
- may very well have been performed contrary to the law. This
- would not make Roe v Wade unrestricted abortion on demand,
- nor would it damage my point. It would make someone a law-
- breaker, and whether the state subsequently chose to prosecute
- is another matter. Also, as Susan Garvin recently pointed out,
- Casey v PP has changed the interpretation of third trimester
- abortion restrictions somewhat.
-
- If you have proof of your position, Reverend, post it and quit
- playing footsie.
-
- > > Larry Margolis has posted the relevant section numerous times.
- >
- > The section which he quotes basically says that the ability
- > of a woman to obtain an abortion is dependent on the
- > availability of a physician who's willing to perform
- > the abortion.
-
- No, it says that abortion can be restricted except in cases
- where the life or health of the mother is concerned. You and
- some others read Doe v Bolton to give "health" a broad
- definition, but practice does not give it so broad a definition.
- I am sure you could find anecdotal evidence of instances where
- it has been given a broad treatment. My response to that is
- that in the days prior to Roe v Wade a woman, in order to obtain
- an abortion, had to be certified as insane in New York State.
- Some women went to the trouble of obtaining that certification
- in order to obtain an abortion. They were sane and they knew
- it. Does this mean that prior to Roe v Wade New York State
- had a broad definition of insanity, or does it mean that
- some people were able to circumvent the law?
-
- > >> Mark Tushnet didn't write an interpretation of the term ``health'',
- > >> he quoted a Supreme Court decision. So did several other authors,
- > >> in the sources which I provided.
- >
- > > He interpreted the definition of health provided by Doe v
- > > Bolton as being much broader than it is in practice. Your
- > > allegations remain theoretical.
- >
- > Mark Tushnet didn't interpret the definition of the word "health",
- > he quoted the definition from Doe v. Bolton.
-
- And interpreted it for his own purposes after quoting it. Get real.
- This stuff is pure gamesmanship from you, Reverend.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-