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- From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:50:50 GMT
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- References: <1992Nov17.173850.14175@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1efhvcINNcin@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> <1992Nov19.154625.27778@cs.yale.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov19.154625.27778@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- #In article <1efhvcINNcin@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
- #>And the problem with all of science is that there are vast numbers of
- #>completely unreconciled departments all saying apparently contradictory
- #>things about the universe. Religion is one of those departments.
-
- #That's garbage. Religion is not a subset of science(non-empirical.)
-
- We are using two different definitions of science (more likely the same
- definition used in two different ways). I understand science to be
- equivalent to 'understanding' or 'knowledge'. That certainly includes
- religion, and all forms of mysticism, plus the conventional departments of
- science.
-
- Furthermore, religion _is_ empirical. People experience faith, in the same
- way that they experience sentience. Experience is the only real evidence for
- either. (i.e. you can't see either of these things under an electron
- microscope).
-
- Back to science: I have yet to see a scientific theory which explains to me
- why I should feel so profoundly good when my 3-year old son kicks up the
- leaves in Munich and sings songs about Santa Claus. Those are some empirical
- facts which do not fit any conventional science. I can repeat the experiment
- if you like.
-
- Lastly, I am not _anti_ science, nor am I some kind of mystic fundie (I'm
- actually an agnostic, just to get clear). However, I do have a problem with
- science's lack of human values. Lot's of 'how' with no 'why', if you follow
- me.
-
- #It's not like Biology conflicts with Chemistry, sir. Sure there are
- #unsettled issues but I hardly would characterize that as "vast numbers of
- #completely unreconciled departments all saying apparently contradictory
- #things about the universe. "
- #
- #>I have absolutely no problem reconciling the OT and NT, and I'm not even a
- #>Christian. How does a parent act towards a spoilt child?
- #Why does one set rules out for a child, sir?
-
- All I am saying is "people are strange". They do not follow the laws of
- cause and effect. I think that people who attempt to superimpose the laws of
- science and logic on people's behaviour (and equally God's, if she exists)
- may be trying to subordinate a higher (more complete) system to a lower one.
-
- #-Ekr
- --
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- when you make us free your way"
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