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- From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Pro-life v. anti-abortion (was something to do with adoption)
- Summary: Terminology explained -- $.05
- Message-ID: <84180@ut-emx.uucp>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 03:04:49 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.162934.9510@ncsu.edu>
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- Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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- jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
- >ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
-
- >>For the last few years I have watched the anti-abortion factions
- > ^^^^^^^^
- >Don't you mean Pro-Life or should we refer to Pro-Choice people as
- >anti-life. This is ridiculus...
-
- Neither. (And yes, it is ridiculous. Why can't we just accept the
- other's sides name(s) for themselves and not get all heated up over side
- issues?)
-
- "Pro-life" is a null-content term. Everyone (with VERY rare exceptions)
- is pro-life to some degree, whether it's their own life solely or the
- lives of others as well. However, it's the term chosen by those who
- oppose legalized abortions, and I'm willing to stick with it.
-
- "Anti-abortion" is an accurate description of the people who call
- themselves "pro-life". It has the distinct advantage of not bringing in
- all sorts of side issues.
-
- "Pro-choice" does NOT imply support for abortions. It implies support
- for the legalisation of abortions, and that is different. There are
- quite a few people on t.a. (Steve Adams, for one) who personally oppose
- abortion but don't want it made unavailable solely because of their
- beliefs. (Steve, if I've misrepresented you, I apologize.)
-
- "Anti-life" describes a sociopath. That doesn't describe any but an
- incredibly small subset of people, and their views on abortion have no
- relevance.
-
- "Pro-abortion" assumes that a person favors abortion, either as the
- solution of choice or just as a possible solution. Not many people
- describe themselves this way, so I may be misrepresenting their views:
- Gordon, would you care to clarify?
-
- "Anti-choice" is equivalent to "pro-force"; both describe the attitude
- that pregnant women MUST give birth. It's a militant wing of the group
- which calls itself "pro-life".
-
- There...have I left anyone out? All of the above is MIO (my informed
- opinion), so if you want to take issue, I shan't be offended.
-
- >Please... Not all of us do these things I am very much Pro-Life but I
- >will Not resort to violence to get my views accepted.
-
- You're to be applauded, then.
-
- >>I can't understand why all these people who stamp their feet and
- >>scream about the horrors of abortion don't switch their tactics and
- >>turn their efforts toward encouraging adoption as an alternative to
- >>abortion. Nobody would publicly discourage such a campaign,
- >>especially if it were handled as well as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say
- >>No to Drugs" or MTV's "Rock the Vote."
-
- >Sounds like a good idea.. Do you know where one can get in touch with
- >others that would be interested in something like this.
-
- Here or in alt.adoption, I'd imagine. At least, these groups would be a
- good starting point. (I'd like to interject, however, that adoption is
- not a viable alternative for all people. Some women, especially,
- perhaps, single women, can't afford to take several months off of their
- job to have a baby, even if they give the baby up for adoption. Some
- employers, despite federal law, will fire the mother or otherwise bring
- down negative consequences upon her.)
-
- >There is a very good reason. I went to a Catholic school to and they did
- >not tolerate actions that might cause one to get pregnant it was stated
- >in or handbook clear as day.Get Pregnant get kicked out. It may the
- >wrong course of action but it definetly cut down on risky behavior.
-
- "Sex in the schools -- next time, on Donahue." :-)
-
- Seriously, it's not the business of the school to regulate what goes on
- during the students' own time. It *is*, however, the business of the
- Church, in the Church's not-at-all-humble opinion. A public school that
- tried this would get its ears waxed, however.
-
- >>The one thing I absolutely cannot fathom is this society's intolerance
- >>toward giving a child up for adoption, in a time when that would be
- >>an answer to a good many problems.
-
- Whoa -- where did this come from? Adoption is not a panacea. Neither is
- abortion. Claiming otherwise for either of them does a grave disservice
- to your argument. As I said above, not everyone can afford to wait the
- time required to give a baby up for adoption.
-
- >Add a punch for me too will ya.
-
- What was that about not being violent, Jeff?
-
- [guy knocked his GF up, they decided to have the baby and put it up for
- adoption ove protests of loved ones]
-
- >You made a very good choice and the best for all concerned.
-
- In your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter unless you're involved,
- though -- it's the choice of the people who ARE involved, and ultimately
- the woman.
-
- (I'm not saying I disagree, Jeff. I'm not saying I agree, either. I'm
- saying that neither one of us known enough about it to form a meaningful
- opinion, and that it isn't our choice in any event.)
-
- >PS. Could someone tell me if I have a .sig quote?
-
- Yes, I could, and yes, you do. :-)
-
- --
- --Andrew Hackard If I spoke for UT, this post
- andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu would make even less sense.
-